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Personfran1000
01/7/2013 at 1:25pm
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I've just seen on a news feed that they believe the huge fire in Smethwick may have been started by a Chinese lantern landing on a load of plastic.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-23123549


Surely they'll have to ban the things now? Three firefighters in hospital and the cost of over 200 attending must surely satisfy the powers that be that the risks from these outweighs the fun?


Personkate w
01/7/2013 at 1:27pm
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Lets hope so.

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PersonSurfer01
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We were on a rally with ukcampsite at Hayles farm and were astonished to see Chinese lanterns been set adrift over farmland and woodland.
We kept a very close eye on our caravan as we did not fancy one of them landing on the roof.


Personwildgeese
01/7/2013 at 3:24pm
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I certainly hope so, we were sat in our awning and one which was still alight landed about 2ft from us ! they are so dangerous.


Personmartin2410
01/7/2013 at 4:45pm
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Its causing us loads of work in the warehouse. I believe, our birmingham depot is right next door to this plant, and as they cant operate whilst this fire is being extinguished, we have to do the picking-well I say 'we', our warehouse pickers have to, we only have to deliver the stuff.


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PersonJack+Jon
01/7/2013 at 4:58pm
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Waste should be stored & sorted undercover, paper & flammables should be wetted down with sprinkler systems in hot/dry weather, if this happened because large amounts of waste were being stored outside without proactive fire precautions being taken then the company is at fault.

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PersonRTS5
01/7/2013 at 5:02pm
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Well yes J&J that may well be (I have no idea what the rules are surrounding waste storage so cannot comment for sure), but those Chinese lanterns are still a real pain and extremely dangerous in any location.


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01/7/2013 at 5:27pm
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j j as I work in the waste industry would you care to show me where in Permit conditions for that company handling, storing recylable materials you got that from. chinese lanterns are a fire hazard full stop.

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Personheath63
01/7/2013 at 5:46pm
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I agree, that Chinese Lanterns should be banned. I have always thought that they are a fire risk.

One never knows where they are going to land.   Obviously candles are not guaranteed that they will put themselves out. How that works I don't know.

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Who in their right mind would send something alight into the sky with no idea where it will land? I work in the recycling industry and I know who this company is and I am gutted for them.

Ban them, pronto.

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Personmillermicm
01/7/2013 at 5:55pm
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I have been against these dreadful lanterns for years. Not only the fire hazard but also the wire & sometimes bamboo frames can cause death to country animals.

They are banned at Glastonbury.

One camp site I stayed on actually sells them.


PersonJack+Jon
01/7/2013 at 6:30pm
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Quote: Originally posted by darthillcat on 01/7/2013
j j I work in the waste industry.

Me too before I retired, Large waste transfer station which included baled material, all of it sorted & much of it stored undercover, we had sprinkler systems inside & out that kept paper & plastic bales throughly wetted down during warm/dry weather. Obviously the bill for the water used has to be paid so company decides how much they use. It is the resposibility of the company to prevent fire. This is an ongoing problem not just from Chinese lanterns but from vandals at night trying to set the place alight.

It is not good enough for a waste company to say this sort of thing is beyond their control, the article in the link points out there has been 15 waste transfer station fires in the area this year.



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PersonTraceyD
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Ban the bloody things, hate them!

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01/7/2013 at 8:05pm
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jj so you are blaming the waste company for working within their Permit and licence for a fire started by all reports by a chinise lantern. that could have been a dry section of Heathland or forest in hot dry weather or even a farmers Hay rick set alight would you also want sprinklers on them

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PersonJack+Jon
01/7/2013 at 8:22pm
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I was pointing out that waste disposal companies need to take proactive steps to prevent their premises going up in flames, most do & avoid massive fires which are preventable. I'm sure this one will be investigated & action taken if/as necessary.

Where heathland & farms came into it, I don't know.

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Some local youths decided to hold a vigil for one of their friends who died. The poster and news release said to meet in the local park and bring a lantern. Over 100 people turned up, most took a lantern.

The park is on the flightpath of the local airport. Idiots.



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