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23/5/2008 at 12:46am
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Hi I thought I should feedback the result of the problem that I reported. I bought a Ford Galaxy 1.8 Diesel and had 2 problems.
1. It is very difficult to reverse and easy to get clutch burn smell
2. At 55 mph or higher it snakes.

My Caravan is a Geist AK565. I tested everything, weighed every item that went in, went to a weigh bridge, checked tyre pressures, checked the tyre walls (and became paranoid that they were lumpy), moved stuff from the locker to the middle of the caravan, cleaned the stabiliser, checked tyre pressures, moved stuff from the van into the car, checked and lowered the nose weight (which was very high). But even with all these things checked and adjusted it made very little difference to the 55mph problem.
The single thing that made the biggest difference was teh towbar. If you have a galaxy MkII DO NOT fit a Bosal towbar. Or any towbar that takes the towball higher than the ridge in the rear bumper. It is too high and slightly nose up (very very slightly). I found that at speed teh wind going over the tall bodies galaxy would hit the caravan near the top. The perfect area to get leverage to make the caravan nose up.
I have just tonight tried another towbar that is about 1" lower and the difference is astounding. It is exactly as towing should be and no more twitchy steering wheel or snaking.

I hope this helps anybody else that is having similar problems.

Oh, and the 2.0 engine Galaxy (which I tried tonight) is far better at reversing and climbing inclines. No clutch burn. I am very tempted to get another Galaxy 2.0 now. But I amy not and the only reason I am erring against it is due to the abissmal service from Ford in Milton Keynes.

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23/5/2008 at 6:30am
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Hi,

I tow with a 145ps 2litre S-Max and have no issues at all. The Ford clutches are generally poor in reverse, but the S-Max is better than my old Mondeo 135ps.

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Mr U-M



23/5/2008 at 8:02am
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Geist AK565 is 40kg too heavy for your  1.8 galaxy... a very dangerous match ...unstable  tail wagging is an obvious warning at a certain speed

check for yourself on www.whattowcar.com

strange... it goes on to say perfect 85% match tho'

probably right about the towball height ..measure it to centre of ball from floor when level ..maximum 420 cm



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23/5/2008 at 8:08am
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It seems according to the data in the Netherlands thats it is 40kg too heavy but below it is an 80% match.  It's no wonder it confuses people lol.

 

According to our data (in the Netherlands) this Geist is 40 kg too heavy for the Ford. Please check the maximum towing limit in your own country.

80%

 

1440 kg     1793 kg

 

The match between car and caravan is perfect in accordance with a mix of European standards. However, according to the British Towing Code the percentage (loaded caravan / kerbweight tow car) is 80%.

 

 



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24/5/2008 at 12:43pm
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A car with a caravan that exceeds its weight is not a 'very dangerous match'.  It has more potential for problems than a caravan which is 85% or less than the car's weight, but that does not automatically make it dangerous.  In the same way an 85% match is not 'safe'.  All caravans need to be towed with a degree of caution, especially by novices.  An experienced driver can manage to tow things far in excess of his towing vehicle's weight - if he/she is very careful.


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26/5/2008 at 8:26pm
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Yes the 1.8 is rated too low. 1400 Kg. You can ignore the 40 Kg over weight as my Gesit is 1550kg (all up) so it is way way over weight.

However, just out of interest before I sold it, I did test the 1.8 Galxy with the caravan within the weight limit (empty) and it still had the snaking problem. So the weight is not the issue.

I am 99.9% convinced it was the tow bar height. This can be recitied by having the Ford fixed towbar fitted (As opposed to teh very long swan neck from Bossal, which is agood 2 inches higher!).

The only reason I am having to change it is becuase it is illegal to tow my caravan with it.

I undertstand that nost manufacturers rate their cars towing weight (which is nomrally ohigher than the 85% rule) by testing it on an incline. So the onlyu difference between teh 2.0 Galaxy (rated to 1700kg) and the 1.8 (rated to 1400kg) is it's ability to tow up a steep hill. They are the same car apart from the engine.

Anyway, I hope this helps anybody else who has towing issues with a Galaxy (1.8 or 2.0).

I am now struggling to make a choice on my new car. a Shogun, 2.0 galaxy, 2.8 Chrysler Voyager or maybe even a landrover td5 (but am put off by reports of snaking!).



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27/5/2008 at 8:00pm
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You are correct about the way in which manufacturers assess a car's maximum towing weight - it is the heaviest weight that the car will pull away with on a slope ( 6%, if I remember correctly ).  Thye do not use the 85% rule - that's why Land Rovers can tow 3500kg according to Land Rover when the vehicle weighs in at a little 2 tonnes.


28/5/2008 at 12:04am
 Location: Highlands
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The trouble with manufacturers towing limits is they do not take wind resistance into account and this can cause major problems. 

Towing a fully loaded caravan along a busy motorway with a lorry beside you is totally different from pulling a smal trailer loaded with weights, and towing a caravan down a steep hill when it weighs more than the car is not something I would want to do.

In my opinion, for what it's worth, it boils down to the fact that your caravan is too heavy for your car. 



28/5/2008 at 10:39pm
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Thanks for all the feedback but just to clarify:

When I tested the caravan was not too heavy for the car.

According to the stats on whattowcar.com it is overweight. However, the 40kg too heavy stated by whatowcar is due to the cars max towing weight (1400 kg) against the stated MIRO for the caravan 1440.

So I had to be careful of the weight ratio match; 85%

And

the max towing weight of the car; 1400kg

The 85% was OK even with the caravan fully loaded at 1440Kg. But at 1440 it would be 40kg over the max tow weight of the car.

The max towing weight is based on the pulling power of the engine which is (as far as I know) not an issue for stability but is an issue for pulling up hill, maintaining speed, etc and of course it is illegal to go over that weight. This does not mean it is illegal to tow a caravan with a MIRO 'specification' of 1440kg. This just means that I have the option to load the caravan up to 1440kg max if I want to. As long as you keep the caravans laden weight below the max tow weight of the car you are legal and if it is within 85% of the cars kern weight then you can tow safely.

So, weight was not the issue in this case.

To prove this, I made sure it was well within the 85% and that it was below 1400kg. So weight was not the issue, nor was pulling power. In fact I tested this with the caravan unladen at 1250Kg; well within both specs and the car still snaked.

The height of the towball (too high) made the caravan nose up. This is what caused the snaking problem.

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29/4/2009 at 11:16am
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Hi have just joined the forum and spotted this post. I have had similar experience with my 1.8TDI with regards to the clutch. When reversing, especially in soft or gravelly conditions the clutch really honks. I have visions of the clutch giving up while we are touring, not a reassurring thought!! Is a burning clutch smell a sure sign of trouble ahead?


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29/4/2009 at 9:28pm
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Quote: Originally posted by smickey on 29/4/2009
Hi have just joined the forum and spotted this post. I have had similar experience with my 1.8TDI with regards to the clutch. When reversing, especially in soft or gravelly conditions the clutch really honks. I have visions of the clutch giving up while we are touring, not a reassurring thought!! Is a burning clutch smell a sure sign of trouble ahead?
       only if you are intending of doing alot of towing especialy reversing i had this wis my Voyger i just tried to position the caravan without too much reversing the clutch lasted over 100,000 miles a word of warning though the galexy has a internal hydralic slave cylinder so excessive overheating of the clutch will cause damage to the slave causing loss of clutch pedal operation 

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07/5/2009 at 1:16pm
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thanks Speedi!


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420cm is 4.2 meters thats high hope u ment 420mm, if the ball is high put a drop plate on it makes a big difference.
our last van was only a mere 850kg and it went all over the place at any speed got is sorted had to over load the front more but not ideal till we found the issue and it was the vans brakes only one side was connected and working, once that was done no issues even rev became easy and yes it burnt a clutch out on a 1 week old c-max it stank hate dual mass clutches when they go wrong they really do. so look up the issue with fords and clutches a fair few have failed from new.


07/5/2009 at 5:25pm
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Quote: Originally posted by wildie on 07/5/2009


420cm is 4.2 meters thats high hope u ment 420mm, if the ball is high put a drop plate on it makes a big difference.


 


Dead right, it makes it illegal. Only a very few towbars are type approved to allow a drop plate. Check with the towbar manufacturer first.

If its illegal, then you void your insurance.

 



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Quote: Originally posted by daviddaw on 27/5/2008


Thye do not use the 85% rule - that's why Land Rovers can tow 3500kg according to Land Rover when the vehicle weighs in at a little 2 tonnes.

Land Rovers (Shoguns, Landcruisers, Troopers, Patrols and others) have a BIG advantage in having an additional low ratio set of gears - wouldn't be anything like such an impressive figure if the test was done in 1st high.   Low ratios are also VERY useful for low speed manoevering caravans on site.

Cheers
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