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21/11/2005 at 1:38pm
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We have a carver 1800 in our caravan, and decided to 'try it out' whilest in storage, in readiness for our winter/new year rallies, (as on some we won't have EHU,) and up to now have only ever used elec fan.  It worked ok, but the flame  seemed a bit pathetic and didn't throw off much heat. I checked the hob, and gas was coming through ok, so....is it just a poor heater, (i know some have carver 3000 ) or was it just too cold for it to cope, I don't fancy relying on it if it's -0. has anyone else got the same heater, and how do you find it?

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There are nine different 1800 models with three different maximum heat outputs dependent on the size of the van, these range from about 1.2kw to 1.8kw. With the 1.8kw on test I regularly see 180-200degC at the top of the heat exchanger which means it should do a fairly good job if it's the right type and working correctly.

Problems can be a blocked burner upsetting the flame or blocked jets cutting down the gas supply. On one 1800 model fitted with a temperature sensor, I am still finding the sensor is in it's travel position instead of being re-mounted near the base of the heater as it should have been...and this is after 15 years!!!. This causes it to shut down to quickly as it's reading the fire temperature rather than the general air temp

Anyway what do you mean by the flames "a bit pathetic"



24/11/2005 at 11:47am
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The flame can be seen through the display window as it should be, but although it looks bigger than a pilot light, there's just no 'oomph' in it.  when I turn the heat control knob the flame does rise and fall, but it's just got no power behind it.  in our previous van when the pilot was lit, and the heat control turned up, there would be a 'whoosh' sound and you could hear the power behind it. and feel the heat being thrown out.  With this one, theirs no 'whoosh', and you have to put your hand close to the vent to feel any heat, and there's no sound. Fromwhat you said it sound like the main jets could be blocked ! ?

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09/12/2005 at 10:54pm
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If the symptoms are like mine, it could be gunge in a supply pipe. Look at the caravan pages on this website http://www.seered.co.uk

There are references to oily gunge blocking the feed pipe to the heater. Can also give poor ignition in cold weather..



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It does sound like a blockage which is cutting down the total gas getting to the burner. Heavy ends or as sweet calls it oily gunge is allegedly causing the trouble with many of the new type fixed regulators today,  before then it used to get through the regulator and lay in the lowest part of the pipe system and generally this caused no harm. However if the oil finds it's way into a dip in the pipe work it can collect and more or less block the pipe and starve the appliances beyond of gas.

There is reference to feed pipes in SeeRed and the corrosion they suffer on the outside, I have also known them to rust internally and the flakes fall and block the narrow pipe as it turns into the burner.

But as I said there are nine different 1800's with three different jet bars fitted and unless you know how it was setup in the first place it could simply be how it should work.



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Hi Gary,

As a newbie to this forum, I see you're the person probably best able to throw some light on my own Carver heater problem (and please forgive if I should be starting a new thread).

The Carver heater on our year 2000 Swift Baronette van has behaved strangely since only a few months after we got it three years ago.  For a start, the slider switch has always been very loose, i.e. it doesn't feel like it's making solid contact to change the settings, so we don't know whether it's operating properly or not.  The other round switch that incorporates the ignition seems to be OK.  The other thing is that once we start off using the heater at all, when it's switched off it seems to start up out of the blue and the fan cycles on and off.  This goes on through the night as well and we're continually fiddling with the slider switch to try to stop it.  The noise does our heads in especially at night.  We haven't been using the heater yet this season, just using an oil filled radiator for night time.  So it's lying quietly at the minute and glaring malevalently at us, it seems.  Sorry I can't remember the model number of the heater, and the book is in the van which is not kept at home.  (We don't tour any more and the van is used as a static).  Hope you can help with any suggestions.

Yours,

Gadgetgranny 



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Blimey you dug deep to find this!!.

Carver made two versions of this fire, the 2000 and the 4000/5500 so it will be one of them.

Top and bottom though is that slide switch, until you know that works correctly it's not worth considering anything else



08/5/2007 at 8:00am
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Gary

 Wonder if you could help me on my prob with my Carver blown air on Electric, its the 3000 model according to documentation was an upgrade when new, when we use it on auto fan we leave it on in the winter to keep us toasty anyway i always find once it reaches a certain temp it cuts off but dosent kick in when the temp drops again , and we have to press the reset button behind the fire to get it heating again otherwise its just cold air that gets blown out, and usually this happens at 3am.  Could this be a thermastat problem?



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08/5/2007 at 9:27am
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I have found the fan motor can spin to slowly on 'slow fan' if theres a poor earth and the Fanmaster overheats and trips, first then check you have a good earth connection to the control board from the control switch,

After that it generally comes down to the motor being worn and or a build up of fluff on the fan and internally on the elements. This requires a complete strip down to clear away the fluff and a new motor if stiff to turn or any sideways play whatsoever in the motor shaft.



08/5/2007 at 11:28am
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Ok thanks Gary ill try that see if it solves the prob.

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Thanks for your reply, Gary.  Thought it might come down to what you said.  Can you easily take the front, top or both off these heaters to have a shufty?  We would like to have a look at it with the cover off, to see if anything obvious can be seen at the slider switch.  Look forward to hearing from you.

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The cover pulls of two catches at the bottom, it then lifts up and off, however the wiring loom to the slide switch only has a couple of inches spare length so as you lift you need to spin the front so the switch stays more or less where it is. Once the front is upside down the loom connection can carefully be pulled off, the switch itself you will now see is held by two screws.   If the cover is stiff to pull off then first check it has not also been screwed near the floor to stop it coming off while travelling.

Frankly the switch design is not the best and not wise to try and fix yourself, even trying to get it apart can damage it. I repair loads of them and have far more trouble fixing faults left by DIY attempts than what stopped it working in the first place.



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Many thanks for your reply, Gary, and for the most illuminating description of things.We're going to the van tomorrow and will try to take the cover off for a look.  I take your point about trying to fix the switch, and if there's nothing obvious can be fixed, we'll just leave it alone.  I think we're simply hoping to see maybe a loose wire that can be tightened, or some such easy thing.  I can definitely say though that we'll not be meddling if the feeling is not to.

Will let you know how we get on over the weekend, but meantime many thanks for your help.

GG



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Hopeful news, Gary!  Got the cover off the heater no probs but before I had a chance to turn the front upside down, the bit at the wiring loom which fits into the other bit just sort of came away without me touching it, so it looked straight off as if it wasn't properly seated in the first place.  I'm wondering if when we bought it, the servicing dealer possibly hasn't pushed the connection in properly when 'servicing' the heater.  Certainly we only drove the van to the site where it has sat permanently ever since.  Of course we could have taken the van back under the warranty, but our car doesn't have a tow hitch and we got a favour with the towing, so couldn't face having to take it back again, not to mention we might have lost our prime site with fantastic view if we'd removed the van.  At any rate, the connection is now pushed properly in and the slider feels like it's making proper connection with each of the settings now.  We took the courage to look at it just before we left for home this morning, so we haven't actually tried the heater on yet to see if all's well, but I'm very hopeful.  Again, I'll let you know how it behaves next time there in a few weeks.  By the way, the model according to the book is either an 1800 SC or 1800 SC Auto - don't know which, but probably you would have a better idea.  Meantime, many thanks indeed for your help - wouldn't have had the courage to look, otherwise!


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Sounds like good new then, your book is slightly out of date, the 1800SC/auto used the mk1 Fanmaster, yours is defiantly the mk2 Fanmaster 2000. Having said that, both gas fires are the same so those operating instructions will apply, it's just the electric heating side that changed.


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Thanks for the info Gary, and again, thanks for your help. Much appreciated.



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