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Hi All,

 

Not long bought my very first cheap caravan (£500). Its a swift Cherniche 14/4. So far I have found damp pretty much above the seating up to the top shelf including all windows. I have firstly located the source of the leak fixed by removing the windows and rails cleaned and re sealed. I then replaced the most of the batons and re built the window frame. Tomorrow I plan to fit the ply and then new window rubbers before cleaning and re assembling the fittings. Also thought I would reseal the skylight while I was at it. All in all I seem to have saved myself a small fortune based on the astranomical quote (more than I bought the caravan for) to fix it. So far this has cost me under £100 and after I pick up the new rubbers a little under £150 all in. I am so glad I attempted this fix as it was in the most part so far really easy and only taken me a couple of days to do. So it begs the question......why should it cost so much for a tradesman to fix this when its not really a super skilled job. I know they have to make a living but this one seems to be a little more than just making a living and more like a licence to print money.

 Whats your thoughts on the subject?

Caravaning new boy Bryce



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Well done sounds like you have done a good job on your repairs, i think you have to consider the difference in doing repairs at home and at a repair center.
at home its just your time and cost of parts, at the repair center there is a multitude of expenses they have to pay, to long to list here.
The price you pay the dealer factors all of them into the cost of your repair or they would go out of business.
You sound like a very competent person, ever thought of making a few bob doing some caravan repairs at home.
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Quote: Originally posted by Sultinator on 28/9/2013
why should it cost so much for a tradesman to fix this when its not really a super skilled job.


I find it laughable that people expect tradesmen to work for 200quid a week when they wouldn't work for that themselves, you make the mistake of seeing the quote as the tradesman's wage not his wage+overheads.

Caravan repair cost is mainly time not material & time what you pay the tradesman for + 20%vat to the government if it is a large enough workshop...which is why most of us diy. It is of course possible to pay £500 for a dry caravan though, if you look hard enough.

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Quote: Originally posted by Sultinator on 28/9/2013

Hi All,

 

Not long bought my very first cheap caravan (£500). Its a swift Cherniche 14/4. So far I have found damp pretty much above the seating up to the top shelf including all windows. I have firstly located the source of the leak fixed by removing the windows and rails cleaned and re sealed. I then replaced the most of the batons and re built the window frame. Tomorrow I plan to fit the ply and then new window rubbers before cleaning and re assembling the fittings. Also thought I would reseal the skylight while I was at it. All in all I seem to have saved myself a small fortune based on the astranomical quote (more than I bought the caravan for) to fix it. So far this has cost me under £100 and after I pick up the new rubbers a little under £150 all in. I am so glad I attempted this fix as it was in the most part so far really easy and only taken me a couple of days to do. So it begs the question......why should it cost so much for a tradesman to fix this when its not really a super skilled job. I know they have to make a living but this one seems to be a little more than just making a living and more like a licence to print money.

 Whats your thoughts on the subject?

Caravaning new boy Bryce





Excellent! You have saved yourself a fortune and got some pleasure out of a job well done too.

One reason that some dealer repair quotes are so high is because they sub-contract a mobile repairer to do a job, then put their own hefty mark up on top of his price. Money for nothing. Its not highly skilled work in most cases either, as you point out.

Any photos?



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Hi Alpiner/Jack and Jon/Al and Mel - Yes I agree the pros have to cover costs but I had quotes ranging from 700 to 1700 and crazy hourly rates for example 4 hours (40 per hour) to change one window seal.....This job took me an hour from start to finish.Jack and Jon - I don't expect them to work for 200 per week as I wouldn't (im in sales so understand cost of sale/maintenance quite well) do that myself but as you can see from above I can tell the 700 quote are making ends meet and making a few bob out of the job bearing in mind it has cost me 150(parts) and others are in my humble opinion in it to rip people off. As for the dry caravan yes I did see a few for circa 500 that were claimed to be dry (I didnt drive to view) this one however was 6 miles away so didn't have to factor travel costs into the price. I am really glad I set out to do this job on my own as I'm proud as punch of my wee caravan. The work I have done isn't the best quality but compared to how it was I feel I have achieved something here.

Al+Mel - Money for old rope! License to print money as well lol As for pictures. Yes I have been taking pictures as I have been going along and will share them all once I have them uploaded.

I opted for ply and not the factory replacement boards mainly to cut down on cost. I then sealed and painted them so you wont see an exact pattern fit but it does have a close colour match. All in all though turned out really well. Now all I have to do is get out in it and enjoy it.

Thanks everyone for your replys and opinions and hopefully we can chat again in future.

Bryce


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Tbf, unless you diy there is little point in fixing an old caravan. Honest repairers don't really want the job as it is difficult to estimate the extent of damp & the nature of repairs required without doing a fair bit of dismantling which the customer will have to pay for. Then the professional has to do a proper job which will take time. Why should a tradesman spend hours of his time required to do an accurate estimate only to have the customer turn it down?

The diy'er can do as much bodging as he like & fact is, to make an old caravan usable a bodge normally does the job, but a good tradesman cannot bodge, he has to do the job properly.

So all the tradesman can do is give a quick estimate that will cover all eventualities including the job turning into a nightmare. Ok, changing the window seal might have taken an hour but you didn't know that before you started & nor would the tradesman without taking it apart which is most of the job anyway.

One reason there is so many complaints about paid repairs to older vehicles/caravan etc is that good tradesmen will not touch the work for the reasons indicated, which leaves only the cowboys, meaning the only sensible option is to diy.

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How do I upload photos?


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Ok so here goes I hope the pictures work.



Removed the rail to find some old sealant from the previous owner so cleaned off and re sealed the rail back in place.



Just a case of now removing the old wood and seeing what the damage was.





Mixed bag in terms of stuff that could be treated and stuff that had to go.



My hired aherm....free help. Really you need someone to help you out and to stop you making mistakes as in my case.




Batons going in. I didn't have clamps so I used bungees and bits of offcuts to secure over night.

And on with the ply. It was just a case of cutting to fit and yes I replaced the insulation



And the other side. Unfortunately the stain was already on the ply that I didn't spot till we were home from the DIY store.

Damn rot.....Removed and cleaned and treated the open edges before I boxed it in and used expanding foam as insulation.


On to the filling.

and sanding lots of sanding



These were the tools I had to hand bu the way. I didn't use them all but alot of them were factored into the cost of the build.



Some more filler to tidy things up a little.



Masked up and first coat. I went for a durable and washable paint covering as opposed to wallpaper. You can judge for yourselves with the result but I like it.


After some really hard rainfall I discovered a small leak which was coming from the screws in the top rail. Sealed them up as opposed to covering with the blanking strip and fixed the issue.


Almost done but here you can see the paint covering and the window seals fitted. Which was all a fairly easy and skill less job so would urge people to try it and help build a stronger bond to your caravan.


A bit dark but that's me done. Just some tarting up on the outside now but really not much more planned. The curtain rails are back up and you may notice the plastic sand effect (not too rough) coating on the center slide out drawers. Looks great compared to the crackled surface that it replaced.


Here it is (just a note that the tow bar end is clearing the ground but it is close.

Well I hope this instills some courage and maybe a bit of bravado for anyone wanting to attempt a fix. It is time that is the biggest factor. My costs were about £150 in the end and a three full days work with about half a day of tinkering.

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Superb result! The photos are great and the fun is about to begin!

Well done!


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Thanks Al+Mel. I thoroughly enjoyed the job and I hate DIY so this has been a great eye opener to whats possible with a little trial and error and all the references on places like this. think my first visit will be to Fort William in a weeks time plus all those fishing trips that I can make....I really cant wait.


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"My costs were about £150 in the end and a three full
days work with about half a day of tinkering"

So 24hrs labour at commercial workshop rates £50hr +
parts + vat = £1620? 'A licence to print money' indeed, if
one did not have business rates, employees to pay
etc.....

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Hi Jack+Jon,

Ok so you disagree with my opinion on costs and have lept to the defence of the "tradesman" (are you one of these business owners or tradesmen I wonder?) also without taking time to actually criticise or compliment my work . Yes I did take this time and related to the standard hourly rate does seem like a fair price however I don't charge this rate to myself so wasn't worried about running up my labour charge to myself and If I did then I would be taking myself to trading standards for stretching the job out to make more money from myself!. I could have done this in a far shorter time if i was a tradesman that did this for a living. I am not and I took my time stopping for plenty of tea and snacks and to have a natter with the Mrs and anybody else that came round. Not to mention just generally taking a step back and carefully planning my next job. This could easily be completed in 8 manual hours as Im sure they don't charge for watching paint dry or waiting for sealant and glues to go off and would manage the workshop schedule to accommodate more than one job and to make sure they could maximize on man hours etc.
Also you mention business rates and employees to pay and no I don't have these but in my experience (limited as it may be) there are few places that just service and repair (and these guys are mobile to keep overheads to a minimum) so most businesses will be backed up by a spares and accessories shop area (with some good markup on these items) and caravan stock and showroom so these will also be factored into the overall turnover for said business. It is safe to say and yes in contradiction to my earlier thoughts that the DIYer cannot compare costs to the tradesman but I still stand by that I feel there are businesses out there to rip people off and this is obvious when your quoted such vast differences from business to business. I can also find a good £2.50 per meter difference in window rubbers from two very like for like businesses within 5 miles of each other.
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this subject.

The positives I can take away from it are
1, I can fix the van myself and save me money.
2, There is always good people out there to help advise and steer the wannabe DIY newcomer.
3, Good strong debate is still alive and well.


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The 'ripoff' businesses are those doing bad work & often
these are the cheapest prices by people who do not know
their work & just bodge it. For a workshop to do a good
job would have taken more than 8hrs judging from your
pics. I would guess the low price quoted would have been
a bodge, the highest price from somebody who did not want
the job & something in between might have done the job
properly. But paying anybody to fix a £500 caravan
defeats the object of buying a cheap caravan which
presumably you worked out for yourself after getting
quotes for repairs.

& yes, your diy repairs have done the job, which is all
you really need to keep an old caravan running. I'm on
my 4th season with a 1980s caravan I paid £400 for but
fortunately it has not needed such extensive repairs as
yours, the bodywork I do myself & take it to a workshop
for a chassis service every couple of yrs, £70+parts
which is reasonable & also its a good idea to replace
the tyres if you have no idea of their age. Its reckoned
to be good to replace tyres every 5-6yrs regardless of
wear as they perish with age & can fail at motorway
speeds.


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