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27/1/2016 at 9:15pm
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Hi, we're about to buy our first decent tent this weekend but we have done the good ol' thing of over thinking the matter.

I have pretty much set our sights on a dutch pyramid style tent, we almost bought a second hand de waard albatross last year but health reasons got in the way (nothing major and wont stop us from being able to pitch the tent etc)

We were looking at some other second hand de waards for this year but my other half wasnt too keen on the idea of buying second hand (i'm now in agreement).

This puts a new de waard out of our price range as we need more than just the tent.
However we are looking at buying the obelink/hypercamp alaska which is at the top end of our budget at £440.
But i'm a bit skeptical of the quality, more so of the zips etc. Also it is VERY heavy, to the point where it will limit where we can camp as we would have to stay relatively close to the car (not that we will be going back packing)

Another option would be to buy the small de waard being the brilstern which is around £300, but this would obviously be...smaller... which wasn't really what we wanted, but we can count on it being of decent quality and I guess part of me just want a de waard :p
The main thing that puts me off this one is the pole in the middle, which may not allow us to fit a double air bed in (all though I have not been able to find a floor plan showing where this pole goes). With the extra money we would be able to buy a tarp to use as a cooking area.
It would also be lighter than the 43kg alaska (33kg without the poles)

I can see us making more use of the de waard as it's lighter and probably easier to transport/pitch so we would be more likely to go away for 1 or 2 nights over the weekends.
We do have a 8 day holiday planned early summer so the alaska would really shine. I suppose my main question is how practical is a 43kg tent for short camping trips?

It is just the two of us and maybe a dog every so often.

Many thanks,

Chris and Holly


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27/1/2016 at 10:18pm
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As avid, long-term Cabanon enthusiasts (and used to their quality of canvas, zips and overall finish), we bought a Bell Tent some years ago (identical to those made by Hypercamp, who cannot supply to the UK market because Bell Tent have the franchise), so I hope I can comment on the quality of Obelink/Hypercamp canvas tents:

I could tell the difference in quality; the canvas felt softer and the stitching wasn't as good, but I have to say I still found it a massive step-up from any synthetic tent on offer, in that it wasn't like camping inside a plastic bag and there were no condensation issues etc.

I've also been able to assess De Waard quality (before they moved their manufacturing from the Netherlands) and that, frankly, was second to none. It was amazing, rugged, wonderful. But also heavy and the packs were extremely dense. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a used De Waard, if things seemed to add up in terms of use and storage etc. Just don't buy something too ancient or too much used, or stored in an outhouse.

Regarding your other questions: this tent has a SIG, so no zipping away the groundsheet if you pack up in wet and / or muddy conditions and no splitting the tent up to make carrying easier. That said, we've been camping for thirty odd years and have never had to carry our family tent more than a few yards from the car, so 32.7kg is definitely doable if there are two of you to lift and carry. Just bear in mind that it'll be significantly heavier if you have to pack up a wet canvas. It still wouldn't worry me if there are two pairs of hands. Solo camping might be more of a challenge, but it depends on how fit you are.

Pyramids are one of the easiest tents to pitch and strike, with pegging out taking most of the time. You can reduce pitching times on shorter-stays by limiting how much stuff you take to put inside the tent, because I think that can take as long - or even longer - then the pitch itself. On the other hand, if you buy a tiny tent plus tarp, you might find it a bit claustrophobic if and when poor weather keeps you inside and, given my own experience of setting up a tarp (which takes me longer than pitching a tent), I'd rather go for a larger tent, any day!

At 4m x 4,5m, I'd describe the Alaska as a medium-sized tent. We used to have a Cabanon Barbados pyramid which, at 5.2m x 3.5m, isn't far different in size. We had no qualms about pitching it for short trips of two nights, and equally it was good for longer stays. I reckon, for the money and for your first foray into pyramid tents, you could do a whole lot worse than the Alaska, which seems like a great starter pyramid. If you do find you're hooked and want to try an alternative make, then you surely won't lose too much - if anything at all - becuase there's always a market for used pyramid tents in the UK.

Best of luck, whatever you decide.


27/1/2016 at 10:47pm
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would you consider a Bell Tent? A 5m with an inner would give you room for a double bed behind the pole and room for sitting and eating, although cooking is still outside - under a tarp if necessary.

Or a Frame tent, poles are more awkward than heavy but there's loads of room inside and it's standing height throughout.

Either way, if you are concerned about weight you could get a trolley or even re-purpose a folding golf buggy.


27/1/2016 at 10:56pm
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I bought one at the end of last summer. Like you I would have liked an albatross, but just couldn't stretch to one. The stitching isn't perfect, but it's by no means bad. I think the tent is fantastic value for money and miles ahead of plastic tents for my preferences. I love mine and cant wait to get out in it again.

You will fit a double air bed with no problem. I squeezed a double posadas camp bed next to a single one, it didn't quite fit right due to the hight, but it wasn't far off.

It goes up and comes down easy, but I haven't had to deal with a wet tent yet. Dry, I manhandled it by myself it is heavy and awkward for one person. I separated out the inner which makes it a little bit lighter but not much.

I don't think you would be unhappy with one, and like lidds said they sell on quite easily.


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27/1/2016 at 10:59pm
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Do you like the Touareg? Marketed by Bell Tent in the UK (but not currently on their website), It's also sold by Obelink as the Tripstein Super so the quality is the same as the Alaska but the weight is just 32kg (no inners included as standard, though). Actually, that's a point, the weight given for the Alaska will include the inner, which can be carried separately. Doh! Not a massive difference but, every little helps!

Anyhow, I digress...reviews state it takes 2 people just ten minutes to pitch, so easy enough for short stays I should think?

It's definitely one I'd consider buying. I like the doors at both ends.


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27/1/2016 at 11:02pm
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Oh dear, maybe scrap that last suggestion...Nicht mehr verfügbar (unavailable). I wonder if they'll be getting it back into stock?


27/1/2016 at 11:25pm
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Quote: Originally posted by lidds0 on 27/1/2016
Oh dear, maybe scrap that last suggestion...Nicht mehr verfügbar (unavailable). I wonder if they'll be getting it back into stock?



BCT Outdoors does the same style called the Bronte in cream although there's a cheaper green canvas one in the Scout range


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28/1/2016 at 12:05am
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OP, have you considered ESVO tents, such as the Bedouin 340?

I just placed an order with Camping Travel Store for a ESVO Bedouin 340 to replace my trusted Hypercamp Escala 4.

The Bedouin 340 has the following advantages over the Escala 4:

i) It has about half the number of pegging points compared with the Escala 4
ii) The front frame is made up of 3 poles, two vertical and one horizontal, compared with two upside down U shaped frames on the Escala 4
iii) The scallop edging is more pleasing to my eyes
iv) The build quality is better than the Escala 4, with better stitching, zips and heavier canvas
v) It is larger inside, living space as well as sleeping area

(i) and (ii) are the main selling points, as I have high hopes that the Bedouin 340 will take less time and efforts to pitch than the Escala 4.

Apart from the number of pegging points, I found pulling the heavy canvas of the Escala 4 over the second spike on the U frames difficult at times.

With the Bedouin 340, I shall not need to do this as the front frame poles come apart.

Looking forward to my first trip with the Bedouin 340 over Easter.

I shall not have the opportunity to test-pitch the tent before the trip. However, I arrive on the camp site on Thursday and it should be relatively quiet for me to make mistakes without too many onlookers about.

Good luck with your choice.

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28/1/2016 at 6:07am
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Hi Holonomic,

It's a dilemma isn't it? Not quite what you want new or what you really want second hand...

All I would say is don't completely discount the second hand option. Our Dewaard Lepelaar was bought 2 years ago from a family in Holland at around 8 years old. It had every conceivable option and was in great condition....it will easily outlast us! We paid around a third what a new one would cost so a great saving.

For two of you, an Albatross Junior would be ideal and there is one for sale on the forum now for £350....maybe an option?

I would also recommend posting on the De Waard forum (www.dewaardforum.nl) There is an English section so just post that you are looking for a tent for two and you will get lots of help.....that's where I found mine.

Best of luck

TT.



28/1/2016 at 6:59am
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Second hand is a fine way to go.
Make Sure you know what you are buying and if you get the chance to see it pitched, then even better.

I bought a second hand (almost virtually unused) cabanon awaya at a fraction of the original cost.
I am delighted by it and feel certain that when I have no further use for it I will be able to sell it on.


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28/1/2016 at 9:41am
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Here is a link to a photo of the Albatros Junior...

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thanks Tricky Tree


28/1/2016 at 12:52pm
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Quote: Originally posted by doortje on 28/1/2016
thanks Tricky Tree



No problems....im quite tempted myself but I have enough tents...:-)

Are you camping this weekend?



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yes !!


31/1/2016 at 7:36pm
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I agree with the advice not to discount the second hand option. We bagged a Cabanon Guadeloupe on EBay last year and got the opportunity to check it over thoroughly before sealing the deal. It was in good condition, one ripped corner and an approved repair kit ready to use. We haggled over that damage and got it for £280. We have been very happy with it indeed. It splits into two bags and totals about 26kg. It is so simple to use that we have found short breaks very doable with it.



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