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Subject Topic: Broken Poles..what to do.
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05/8/2009 at 11:47pm
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I've been reading a lot of posts on broken fibreglass poles recently and what's struck me most is that a lot of folk have (a) a deep sense of indignation that poles break at all and (b) no idea what to do about this. So I just thought I'd post a few suggestions about what to do here.

1) Fibreglass poles break. They break with depressing frequency and it's a rare camper that won't experience at least one broken pole eventually. Most tent manufacturers won't guarantee fibreglass poles because they break for a number of reasons which are totally outwith the manufacturers control, ie extreme weather conditions, including gusting; during erection and striking of a tent due to a lot of weight being put on unsupported poles; poles being handled roughly as in the pole bag being thrown on the ground, poles stepped on or a lot of lugguage being placed on top of the pole bag and finally because many people basically don't pitch their tents properly, with correct pegging and all guylines pegged out. All of these things can contribute to pole breakage. It's not just that the pole was faulty from the start!

2) You can check your poles for weak spots and should do each time you take your tent down. Look for white streaks in the poles, or hairline cracks that you can feel with your nails. Or splitting ferrules. If you find these you should replace the affected pole section asap.

3) If you break a pole section during the erection of a tent then stop and mend it on the spot. If you put a tent up with a weak or broken pole it will place undue stress on the other poles and the tent fabric and you can end up with the whole pole set breaking and/or causing damage to the fabric of the tent. Worst case scenario is that you have to come home early because you're tent has fallen down and is damaged. It's easier to be prepared and take immediate action!

4) You should always carry the means to mend poles. Obviously the easiest and quickest way is to have an entire replacement pole of each thickness and length your tent uses so you can just substitute the new for the old, but this can get expensive. The very least you should carry is one spare pole section of each size your tent uses, a length of spare shock cord and either a rethreading needle or the patience to do the repair without one.

5) To replace a pole section, pull out the knot that secures the shock cord into the end ferrule of the pole ( needle nosed pliers are helpful here), undo the knot, unthread the pole, replace the damaged section and rethread the pole.

6) If you have a lot of damaged sections, use your spares on the sections/poles that take most stress ie curved areas near the guying points, and reinforce the other broken ones with duct tape. (You should always carry a roll of duct tape!) Tape up and down the pole, then go round it spirally. It won't stop the section bending but it will stop it splintering to pieces and shredding the tent fabric.

7) You can do all of this without having to take the tent down totally in many cases. But it is tricky and not a manuvere to attempt in the middle of a storm! In terrible weather try to support a damaged pole in other ways, such as adding extra guylines to support the pole.

Bottom line(s)? Take care of your poles and treat them gently and with caution, especially when erecting a tent in less than calm conditions or without assistance. Be prepared to mend a pole at the first sign of damage and carry the wherewithal to do this. And finally when a pole breaks, be resigned but not indignant. It happens to the best of us!



06/8/2009 at 12:30am
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Thanks Val for the great advice as usual.

I have a split fibre glass pole on my Khyam Atrium after a test pitch, not happy about it, however, it is not the end of the world, as it is easily replaceable.

I'd better go and get a replacement pole or two for the Freelander, as I suspect they are not so widely available!

Thanks again.

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06/8/2009 at 12:54am
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Thansk Val for reminding me why I so much prefer alloy poles (yup they can still break - I've done it) stronger and don't seem prone to random breaking that \fibreglass poles do.


06/8/2009 at 9:54am
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Quote: Originally posted by scrumble on 06/8/2009


Thansk Val for reminding me why I so much prefer alloy poles (yup they can still break - I've done it) stronger and don't seem prone to random breaking that \fibreglass poles do.

Yes, alloy and steel poles tend to be more robust...but have different problems, of course. There does seem to be a lot of confusion amongst new campers as to what to expect from their new tent though, and what to do about problems.



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Very useful, thank you 17


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07/8/2009 at 6:05pm
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Very spot on !

In all my years so far, I've never broken a pole, and although I know all the theory, when faced with it on a dark windy rainy night, I'd probably just stand there and think "I wish I'd printed out that Valk_Guide".

So, that's what I'm off to do right now, and slot it away in Mrs Happy's toolbox.

cheers !


10/8/2009 at 1:07am
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gaffer tape solves all your problems


10/8/2009 at 8:30am
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Excellent advice Val.

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10/8/2009 at 8:54am
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Quote: Originally posted by azaZaz on 10/8/2009
gaffer tape solves all your problems
Well it will keep the wife quiet anyway !  17  LOL

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Quote: Originally posted by Simon W on 10/8/2009
Quote: Originally posted by azaZaz on 10/8/2009
gaffer tape solves all your problems
Well it will keep the wife quiet anyway !  17  LOL

What a great idea, I must get some. Whats the widest you can get ??? LOL.17

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Great post Val

Imho this post should be pinned as there are always lots of questions about broken poles

Angie



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Lol Simon , bet you wouldnt say that to your wife though


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Just wanted to say thankyou for posting this Valk! Answered all my questions as we just broke a pole while pitching our nevada this weekend.

No idea how we managed to break it as we did not seem to be putting additional stress on the pole. This then led to a.....how can I put it......healthy marital debate? LOL!

Luckily, we had a spare that came with the tent so could fix it. Hubbie was trying to rush and ended up snapping the bungee and unthreading it out of most of the poles leading to more "debate"!!! ARGHHH! We managed to patch it up for our 2 night stay though.

Everything happens for a reason and we are now wiser to the need for taking tent repair into account!! I now have a few spare poles in both sizes, spare bungee and the all important threader. Duct tape, pliers and a small hacksaw are now added to the essential kit list too.


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I'd just like to add, as long as you get the correct diameter pole, you can cut it to size with a junior hacksaw,(stick a bit of masking tape around before cutting, and sandpaper afterwards to remove any sharp bits)
as the replacement sections are usually longer than you need.
you don't have to buy the same brand pole, or replace the whole length of the pole.
Some people are under the impression if a section breaks they need to replace the entire pole, not just the broken section.
single sections are about £3 each , available from most camping shops or tentspares

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We have kept the poles from a previous tent as they are the same diameter as our Outwell poles, just a bit longer. Carried a rethreading kit, junior hacksaw and gaffa tape with us - but luckily didn't need them.


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All good advice. This PDF link re mending tents and poles may be of some help also.



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