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13/11/2005 at 7:18pm
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Hi All,

I have just bought a Campingaz Camping Chef cooker, and got the gas cylinder for it.  I understand that the gas in the cylinders is butane rather than the propane/butane mix I am used to in the other cylinders I used to use.  I also understand that butane freezes at about 4 degrees.

I just wondered what happens when it freezes.  We are never really camping ( or at least not cooking ) at this temperature so it is not a problem.  I am just a bit unsure if it becomes dangerous when it freezes, as it will be stored in the garage all through the winter.



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13/11/2005 at 7:42pm
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i've kept mine in the shed forthe past few years, with no problems at all


13/11/2005 at 7:43pm
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Butane freezes at about -138 C

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13/11/2005 at 7:43pm
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It's not quite technically correct to say that it "freezes" as freezing is when something turns from liquid to solid. What happens is that it becomes too cold to turn from liquid into gas and the result is it won't leave the bottle to supply the appliance with gas.

It doesn't become dangerous and will be ok in your garage over winter.



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Thats what i like to see Caz a short direct all points covered answer


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13/11/2005 at 7:52pm
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I'm quite sure that at 4 degrees, butane moves about a bit.

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13/11/2005 at 7:57pm
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It won't work when it freezes..

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13/11/2005 at 8:16pm
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Are you saying that at 4 degrees butane does not have the energy to become a gas?



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Of course it is actually the boiling point we are talking about, not the freezing point. The actual boiling point of butane is -0.5 C, i.e. slightly below the freezing point of water, at 4 C it is getting close to that and will gas slightly, but not as efficiently as it did at say 20 C.

The boiling point of propane is much lower, at -42.1 C, so it is much better at turning into gas at low temperatures around 0 C than butane is.



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13/11/2005 at 8:42pm
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Can't argue with that

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13/11/2005 at 9:58pm
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So with all that said, and I am glad I asked the question, is there any advantage at all of butane over propane?  Or put another way, are there any disadvantages of propane?  I just wondered by we use 2 type of gases and not standardise on one. 

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13/11/2005 at 10:02pm
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Over to Caz, propane will gas quicker.

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Way to go Caz

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Langleys.

The short answer for you is that if you only camp in the summer Butane will be fine. If you want to camp in the winter then most people on this site will tell you that Propane is your only choice.

We now have both as although currently we are only tenters, eairly in the season campinggaz (butane) takes an absolute age to boil a cuppa first thing in the morning.


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the other point is that it doesnt become dangerouse at low temps if stored, it will be fine next year, the only problem occurs when you try to use it, ie it wont, I store mine in the back box of my TT, previously in a shed, the only poblem i have have had is with the seals perishing before an empty bottle, so i now vasaline them


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The main advantage of using butane is that the canisters are smaller and lighter than their propane equivalent, so unless you are a cold weather camper, using butane saves on storage space in the car and weight. 

 

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