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19/8/2006 at 4:45pm
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Hi, I`m doing a design course and I`m also a keen camper. I am researching ways to heat water for showers and washing up when camping, especially where there are no facilities. I would appreciate any feedback from those that have used solar water heating methods when camping or any wish lists or ideas for improving this type of equipment.Thanks.

ps. How do caravan users heat their water??



19/8/2006 at 5:41pm
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19/8/2006 at 6:16pm
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Hi there and welcome to UKCS - the biggest collection of campaholics known to humankind!!

I have tried the solar showers that are easily availalble in camping shops and even on a hot GB summer day it has not got very warm, even when left on the car roof all afternoon. I can't think of any suggestions to improve the efficiency of heating, but a couple of things thatwould imporve the functioning of the kitwould be - a better more robust on/off mechanism, and some kind of stand to hold both the shower reservoir and the shower hose up for ands free useage.

I have just gone hi-tech and got one of these instead - and it is fab (but I am addicted to gadgets, I am afraid!)



20/8/2006 at 10:44am
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we have a couple of the solar showers, have no problems with it. but only when you get the air out of the bag and makesure that the black is touching the water will it work best, but of course this all depends on the sun shinning!!!  i have managed to use it for a shower a couple of times in the past 7 years! mostly gets used for washing up etc though. 

most caravans have water heaters in them that run of the mains or gas, and evenif they dont you just boil the kettle, which we have done with the solar bags to top them up a bit. 

just a thought, perhaps if the bag was a bigger size then once the air was out the surface area would be so much greater with the same amount of water that the water could heat up better, perhaps thats why we have had better luck than most that use these as i only half fill each of the bags,



20/8/2006 at 3:05pm
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We often stay on sites without showers and have played about for a few years on cheap ways to deal with it.

Solar Shower bags to heat water - very successful when hot and sunny in France, less successful when it's not hot and sunny. They are difficult to carry and difficult to both fill up and use because they are so floppy. We tried to find away of making a more rigid but folding container that used the sun in the same way but gave up!    The bags also get too hot to use when it is very hot and lose their heat very quickly once the sun goes down.

We've broken the process down into three, so you need a way of heating water, mixing water and then pumping water.

We heat water using a solar shower when possible or alternatively we heat a big stock-pot (which we travel with anyway) of hot water on the Coleman dual fuel stove.

We then mix the water to a usable temperature either in the big stock pot or in one of the small sized folding water containers.

We then pump the water using a Coleman battery powered shower with a submursible pump (look on Basspro.com), we either drop the submursible pump into the stock pot or as it is threaded we screw it into the tap attachment of the water container. We then stand the "water carrier" on our BBQ/kitchen stand and shower from there.

It's just a more low tech version of Foggers' Zodi shower. I liked the look of the Zodi but not the fact that you had to have the heater close to the shower plus it is quite pricey.

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20/8/2006 at 3:07pm
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Whoops - double post!

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20/8/2006 at 3:13pm
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Thankyou all for your comments, they have been useful and thought provoking. I am thinking about a combination of solar energy when the weather obliges - maybe something a bit more high tech than the bag option, and insulated - with a back up system probably involving a gas cannister. It would have to be cheaper than the zodi system (although they do look good). My design brief is quite heavily on the `green` side hence my interest in solar energy. How much do you think people would pay for such a thing?


20/8/2006 at 4:01pm
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I like the idea of a decent solar powered system but with a tank to keep it hot. I'd probably not use a gas alternative though as we use the Coleman burner and would rather use cheap petrol!! However we might well be in a minority there. Personally I'd rather have an alternative that could be used on whatever form of cooker I've got so that I don't have to buy another cooker.

I think the difficulty is that people will not necessarily spend much on something like this. Our heat/mix/pump system hasn't cost much more than the solar bags and the Coleman shower. Many people only use sites which have showers etc. on them (although motorsport, festival sites and other "club" type activies would give you a good market).

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21/8/2006 at 1:20am
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We do a lot of car rallies and very often don't have shower facilities on site. We use a solar shower bag which we put on bonnet of our black car and use this for washing up,strip washes or hair washing but we find the water flows too slowly for a shower and you don't always have a convenient tree to hang it from;so usually make do with strip washes/wet wipe washes or boil the kettle use the bucket/washing up bowl.


29/8/2006 at 10:57am
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Hi

I had a brainwave when thinking about this problem. Has anyone heard of Nescafes Hot when you want self heating coffee in a can? It uses the chemical reaction between quicklime and water to produce heat. This all happens in a sealed unit within the can. The positives are that you can have hot showers day or night whatever the weather and the end product (calcium hydroxide sludge) is used to neutralize sewage and soil acidity. The negatives are quicklime can give nasty burns as it is a strong alkali and to scale it up to heat 4 gallons of water may mean you need rather alot of it. I`ve tried to do the Physics but my brain hurts!! I`m sure theres a way round it though....?

Melanie



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29/8/2006 at 11:10am
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Nescafe is too expensive a method of heating when you think of the quanties. You need to heat the water up in the bag but be able to run it off into an insulated container which can be moved. (showering on the car roof aint all its cracked up to be).

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29/8/2006 at 11:27am
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I was pondering the whole shower-in-a-tent thing, particularly ways of increasing the flow. I got to trying to think of a way of storing enough water at head hight, then using gravity to aid flow. Also you'd need more volume stored too.

Then I noticed how handy my roofbox was (fitted to my taller-than-most car). So I was thinking of somehow having a collapsible liner in the roofbox, with inlet and output hoses. Basically using the roofbox as a giant solar warmed reservoir. I guess I'd need to pass the water over the stove too...

Still thinking...



29/8/2006 at 11:36am
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Some years ago I had a cabin cruiser and we bought a shower that was like a pressurised garden sray with a long tube and a shower head at the end.  You pumped it up after filling with hot water and showered, stopping every now and then to top up the pressure.  I've tried to find it on the web for this thread but with no luck, they've probably stopped making them.



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