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11/11/2013 at 12:06pm
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Last time I used my Coleman dual fuel stove I thought something had gone far wrong. I reckon I now know what caused it so thought I'd post in case it's helpful to anyone else.

This is what happened when I lit the stove.


Even after I turned it off and removed the fuel tank (I couldn't think what else to do)the show continued for a few minutes:



Eventually, of course, it died out. I was wondering whether it was a problem with the fuel but I've tried the stove since and it's behaving normally.

I think the explanation is that on the first attempt it wouldn't light at all and then I noticed that the key which controls the slave burner was undone. I closed this and tried again but my theory is that the pipe was full of fuel all the way to the second burner and that's what flared up when I lit it. Now that it's burned off, it's working normally.

Has anyone else experienced this or am I the only person to leave the key undone? Do you think my explanation is correct?

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Our brand new Coleman did exactly the same, despite us following instructions to the letter. We were using the Coleman fuel. My O/H wasn't wearing a shirt at the time (probably quite lucky!) and it singed all his body hair and eyebrows! We queried it with the retailer, who took it back to examine and then refunded it as faulty.

No idea what the cause was, and we didn't attempt to remove the fuel tank (potentially more dangerous?) but it was certainly scary, and I'm glad it wasn't anywhere near the tent when it happened!

I know they get great reviews on here and always wondered why we had such an experience, so will be reading replies with interest!


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Perhaps when new campers post on here asking for advice
on stoves, the Coleman fans will stop recommending them?
The sensible option is always going to be a gas stove.
While these stoves work well they do need a bit of care
in use & are just a bit of fun really for those that like
them. They are not foolproof & in UK/Europe where bottled
gas is easily available they are not worth considering
as an alternative to gas.

Back in me '60s days of boy scout camping we were used to
primus stoves flaring up & using pressure lanterns but
those were the norm then, but not now when there are far
safer alternatives for those who just want to cook food.


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Mine does this every now and again (but not normally that bad.

It's obviously due to with residual fuel building up within the generator or the manifold / mixing chamber - possibly due to the main valve being left open too long / too high before lighting or an incomplete burn from the last use. I don't think it is down to the auxiliary burner... but I'm no expert!

Only once can I remember flames as high as the ones in your picture, and that was when a child opened the valve and left it. I spotted it and turned it off, but when I came to light it later on, I got a bit of a shock!

This is probably a good time to give the stove a good service and see if that helps. I should probably do the same for mine, too!

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11/11/2013 at 1:14pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Jack+Jon on 11/11/2013
Perhaps when new campers post on here asking for advice
on stoves, the Coleman fans will stop recommending them?
The sensible option is always going to be a gas stove.
While these stoves work well they do need a bit of care
in use & are just a bit of fun really for those that like
them. They are not foolproof & in UK/Europe where bottled
gas is easily available they are not worth considering
as an alternative to gas.

Back in me '60s days of boy scout camping we were used to
primus stoves flaring up & using pressure lanterns but
those were the norm then, but not now when there are far
safer alternatives for those who just want to cook food.




I've used the Coleman for two or three years now and am very pleased with it, but obviously it has to be used correctly. Gas stoves can be just as dangerous, perhaps more so given the risk of explosion, if gas canisters or cylinders aren't connected correctly. This isn't a complaint about Coleman stoves at all, just a warning of something which can happen if you're not careful. I use gas as well on occasions, but on that particular morning the frost was just melting and butane wouldn't have coped at those temperatures.

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11/11/2013 at 1:27pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Jack+Jon on 11/11/2013
Perhaps when new campers post on here asking for advice
on stoves, the Coleman fans will stop recommending them?
The sensible option is always going to be a gas stove.
While these stoves work well they do need a bit of care
in use & are just a bit of fun really for those that like
them. They are not foolproof & in UK/Europe where bottled
gas is easily available they are not worth considering
as an alternative to gas.



How many people were killed by barbecues in tents being improperly used in the last year? (answer: far more than were killed by a petrol stove)

By your logic, we should tell campers not to use a barbecue because they can cook your burgers in a pan just as well and more safely. After all, barbecues are just a bit of fun, why take the risk?

The alternative is to give good advice on proper usage, rather than treating people like idiots who can't read simple instructions and have no common sense.


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[back to being helpful]

One last thing - I can understand why you did it, but it probably wasn't a great idea to remove the tank & generator whilst it was flaring up. If the cause was something to do with a faulty main valve, it could have caused you some problems!





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This thread is nothing to do with barbecues which are
far more commmon on campsites than petrol stoves so your
'example' is a red herring particularly as nobody is
going to get killed, just badly burn't. & no, gas stoves
are not just as dangerous. Liquid fuel stoves belong in
the dark ages as this thread proves. Those that
understand how to use them are not daft enough to use
them under cover or stand over them while they light
them, but they should not be recommended as an
alternative for a camper who just wants a stove.

Nowadays people just expect to turn things on & they
work, if campers want to use liquid fueled appliances
from another age they can but they are not an
alternative to gas appliances for anybody who just wants
a cooker, which the op illustrates quite nicely.




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Quote: Originally posted by Jack+Jon on 11/11/2013
This thread is nothing to do with barbecues which are
far more commmon on campsites than petrol stoves so your
'example' is a red herring particularly as nobody is
going to get killed, just badly burn't.



Google: "camping barbecue deaths"

A quick google of "camping barbecue deaths" says you're wrong, unfortunately.

If you're going to be consistent, surely you would say that cooking over charcoal is from the dark ages and should not be recommended?

Or you could say that barbecues are fine when used properly and admit that you've just got a bee in your bonnet about petrol stoves...

I'm just curious, do you know of any instances of people being hurt or things damaged by petrol stoves? I don't, but I have personally seen a tent and a caravan burn down in separate instances due to faulty or misused gas.



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Liquid fuel stoves aren't a bit of fun for those that use them and they aren't archaic. They are seriously useful in the winter.


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Definitely the thing to use in winter.


By the way, those flames were long, lazy flames with no pressure behind them. And I never stick my face over it when I light it so there wasn't really a safety issue, particularly as it wasn't anywhere near anything else. Actually, it boiled the kettle and I had my cup of coffee anyway. It just isn't an ideal way to cook!

Come to think of it, I've heard of a few accidents involving exploding gas canisters, but not petrol stoves.

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Well, I no eff all about these liquid fuel stoves, (and I don't think I want to, either!) so I'll just say...

Glad you weren't hurt, Sarah.... Oh.... and pleased you still got your coffee!!

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dmsplat..

I think the point with these tragic BBQ deaths is that, they have been caused by misuse of the equipment(...and besides, there are far more bbqs on sites, than liquid fuelled stoves).

Whereas the flare-up" , as shown in the OPs photo is, by your own admission, something that happens to you.?!...

Quote: "Mine does this every now and again (but not normally that bad..." 

I have to agree with J&J and say that I don't think recommending them to newbie campers(..who only want to boil the odd kettle and fry up a few breakfasts during the 3-4 camping  weekends a year), is really that good an idea..

 

 



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Usually the flare ups are of the 3 - 4 inch variety, not the 12-18 inch variety, displayed and they burn themselves down in a few seconds.

With proper use, the small pack size and high heat output in all temperatures means that they are a perfect recommendation, in my opinion!


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I don't think this is unusual, though. I read this on another thread:

Quote: Originally posted by awedlock on 23/4/2013

The Coleman is a funny beast, it certainly takes some getting used to, but once you do its a great powerful stove. I pressurise before every use and sometime mid-cook if I am cooking for a long time and/or using two burners. You can see the flame dies down and turn yellow when the pressures dropping.

I would certainly never use it under cover, only if its pouring will I go under a canopy, but then I would still light it outside, as it can flare up! and no move under cover until its settled down.






I too think the main thing is never to use them under cover of the tent, or at least not until you're totally used to its little foibles.


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Any flare ups I've had with my petrol stoves have been down to low pressure and it has never been more than a couple of inches. The low pressure is due to too little priming on the Shea or too little pumping on the Coleman.
I have had to boot a friends gas stove out of a bothy before when it flamed up.



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