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23/4/2010 at 1:02pm
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how can they get away with selling the pegasus with a factory noseweight at 80kg , already 5 kg over most towcars limit ??

when we ordered ours nobody mentioned anything about noseweight when the tow vehicle was mentioned , just the kerbweights.

not happy at all with this set up



23/4/2010 at 1:15pm
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Ours tows perfectly well.

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23/4/2010 at 1:17pm
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I reckon that explains the front lockers - make 'em smaller, can't get as much in?

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23/4/2010 at 1:20pm
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Quote: Originally posted by 664DaveS on 23/4/2010
Ours tows perfectly well.

so it should with a sorento.

tows well behind our 4x4 as well but for all the people who are towing one with a family sized hatchback / estate with noseweight limits of 75kg it isnt such good news is it ?



23/4/2010 at 1:38pm
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Particulary at a time when lots of folk are looking to downsize their tugs, what with road and fuel tax going ballistic. I would love nothing more than tow my van of choice with a Mondeo TDCi (I love the car), but that is not possible and it is a lifestyle choice that I have made. For Bailey to pitch themselves outside the majority of family cars is not such a great move really!


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23/4/2010 at 1:39pm
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I think you will find that many new British built vans have a ex-noseweight of over 75kgs Its common knowledge that many new vans are above that limit .
Perhaps thats one of the reason that you see so many Mondy's , Passat's and vectra's towing with there beak's in the air .
Looks like you will have to use your Mitsubishi which I know will be less economical


23/4/2010 at 2:12pm
 Location: N Yorkshire
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Quote: Originally posted by neil and lena on 23/4/2010
I think you will find that many new British built vans have a ex-noseweight of over 75kgs Its common knowledge that many new vans are above that limit .
Perhaps thats one of the reason that you see so many Mondy's , Passat's and vectra's towing with there beak's in the air .
Looks like you will have to use your Mitsubishi which I know will be less economical

i dont mind using the mitsubishi ,thats what its for ,but we are going to southern france in june so need the ford for the tug down there hence the experimenting with it on the last trip out & sorting the leccies out for atc and fridge etc. if it was northern france id take the mitsu but cant justify all the extra fuel particularly with the current increases for such a long trip south as well as being penalised on red pennant for being over 10 years old ,makes a very expensive trip out of it.

to be fair the car sits fairly level , as does the van but knowing you are exceeding the towball limit and should the worst happen will your insurance be void ??



23/4/2010 at 2:18pm
 Location: NE Scotland
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Your noseweight will alter once you start loading the van - that is an empty measure.


23/4/2010 at 2:30pm
 Location: Hampshire
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Quote: Originally posted by bev+jon on 23/4/2010

how can they get away with selling the pegasus with a factory noseweight at 80kg , already 5 kg over most towcars limit ??




In reality it matters not a "jot" what the ex-works nose-weight is, unless you travel with a completely empty van, the only nose-weight that matters is when its being towed.
The inference with a heavy ex-works nose-weight is that the van designer expects greater weight/distance "moments" aft of the axle than in front with the van in normal use.

However the designer could have got it all wrong and not taken loading into account but with a company of Baileys reputation this is highly unlikely. The designer certainly should be aiming at a "loaded condition" nose-weight suitable for the target tow vehicles. I suspect there are vehicles with very poor towing abilities and the ever striding efforts for better economy via weight reduction will result in an increasing number of unsuitable cars.

The most likely reason you were not told its ex-works weight is because to most of us its wholly irrelevant unless you are prepared to do a whole load of weight distribution calculations.
It is of course very important if your picking up a new van to tow empty. Hopefully a dealer will warn you if it is dangerously low.


23/4/2010 at 2:56pm
 Location: N Yorkshire
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i just wanted to know out of interest what it was.loaded up now with 2 almost empty gas cylinders in front locker , some toilet fluid, wellys, walking boots in the side front lockers , nothing in the front floor lockers at all & under the fixed bed at the rear ive countebalanced it with awning / poles /cadac , stuff which we would usually put in the car ( put under bed today as a counterbalance experiment) and we have 86kg on the hitch.11kg too high for towing with many family sized towcars...as i say , if theres an accident how will this affect insurance ?


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23/4/2010 at 4:59pm
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Ours is between 70- 75 when loaded.  We have the awning furniture etc under the bed, the aqua roll and waste master in the bathroom.  The awning over the axcel.  Then just put in the other stuff in its normal place, i.e. duvets etc in the front under seat storage, clothes in the wardrobe and bedroom over heads. 


23/4/2010 at 5:07pm
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I'm not a legal expert, but I can tell you from experience that, if anything at all is outside recommended limits, the insurance companies will jump at it in the event of a claim.

I wouldn't do it myself.

Jim



23/4/2010 at 5:23pm
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Was the nose weight of the van you sold when you ordered your pegasus so different. Strikes me you regret buying your new van. That's a pity because you were very pleased with it after the manufacturer had carried out the work on it.

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23/4/2010 at 5:36pm
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What are you weghing it on? Most nose weight scales are rubbish. Use an old pair of bathroom scales.

 



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23/4/2010 at 6:17pm
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Why don't you just sell the van and buy a different make - you seem to have so many issues with Bailey and are under the impression you won't have problems with other makes.

The nose weight issue is not their fault - you should have checked what the nose weight was compatible with your car before buying the van and it can be sorted by how you load the van anyway.



23/4/2010 at 6:29pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Fat Bum on 23/4/2010
Why don't you just sell the van and buy a different make - you seem to have so many issues with Bailey and are under the impression you won't have problems with other makes.

The nose weight issue is not their fault - you should have checked what the nose weight was compatible with your car before buying the van and it can be sorted by how you load the van anyway.


you dont know half of it , there are many unhappy pegasus owners on sites and on other forums.not just us, not just noseweight issues , stone chip damage to front panels mean bailey are now putting thicker paint on and upgrading the stick on adhesive panels on the front and doing it to earlier vans under warranty , email kelly at baileycaravans for more details.

how about one owner having to have the oven taken out to cure a gas leak while on site.

wonderful eh ?

and why should i need to take a big hit by selling it ? not my fault Bailey cant put a van together correctly or test them properly before marketing them




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