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Converting Caravan Bulbs to 12v SMD LEDs

Most caravans and motorhomes are fitted with standard, fluorescent, or halogen bulbs for their lighting. However as power consumption is an issue, more and more people are converting their lighting to LEDs. SMD LED units consume approx. 90% less power than bulbs – for approx the same light output

One of the main benefits to LED lighting is that it is more efficient. You can get more life out of each bulb and it is also energy efficient so it helps the environment, too. The SMD LED gives off very little heat. It also has a low voltage and current requirements. SMD LED stands for surface mount LED. Specifically, it's a light-emitting diode that is mounted onto and soldered onto a circuit board. An SMD LED also has a wide viewing angle, thanks to the fact that it does not have the standard LED's epoxy enclosure that focuses the beam.

Here UKCampsite.co.uk member P Baker gives his guide on converting the lighting in your caravan or motorhome



I usually go to CL sites without hook ups, and I changed all lights to SMD's to save battery power.

With ALL my old normal bulb lights on, I would consume 11.83 amps. On converstion to SMD units, I consume under 2 amps.

With 2 typical SMD units, only point 33 of an amp is used compared with 2 halogen bulbs which use up 1 point 6 amps, nearly 5 times as much!!

Staggering difference in power consumption - is it not?

Usually, no modification is required whatsoever to the caravan wiring and no additional electronics are required, and as long as the SMD type is 12 volts, the change over should be - remove bulb and replace with the SMD unit.

SMD is the name for surface mounted diodes or a name similar. There are many. Basically, what this means is that the SMD is flush mounted on to the circuit board. They are usually a yellow colour in appearance.

SMD is the relatively new type of LED with better performance all round than the 'old' type, which are noticeable by two pins sticking out of them.

How to measure the light output of a particular bulb

Comparing the wattage to determine light output from bulbs etc., is no longer valid. Wattage is the amount of power used.

The best measurement of light output, and generally the accepted way, is the lumens measurement. This is a simple measurement of the light intensity as the human eye sees it.

The lumen is the measurement of the total light output from any type of light emitting device. (Sometimes called LUX)

Even this simple way of determining the total light output is not plain sailing as all that, and there are many other factors to be considered to obtain an accurate figure, but, to keep it simple, when choosing any type of bulb or SMD unit, look at the lumens figure.

Generally, when changing a halogen in a caravan, choose an SMD of 90 – 110 lumens for approx. the same brightness.

An example of a Halogen bulb and an SMD unit is :-
 
Halogen SMD
12v 12v
10 watts 1. 8 watts (Power consumption)
100 lumens 90-100 lumens (Brightness)

To translate the wattage into amps, divide the wattage figures by the voltage.

Warm White or Bright White?

This is measured in the Kelvin unit, and is usually called the colour temperature. 2800 to 3000K is warm white, and 5000K and above is bright white.

Changing the bulb to SMD

This requires you to determine the wattage of the existing bulb. You will then have to look on E-Bay for that bulb and have a look at the specifications below the illustration to discover the lumens figure.

It is then a simple matter to look up SMD units and choose similar lumens.

I must stress here that there are many other factors to take into consideration, which I do not want to go into here.

What type of bulb holder do you have?

A very good place to see the different bulb holders is http://www.searolf.com/, click on the download PDF catalogue link, then scroll down to see the caravan types. This site shows bulbs and bulb holders so you can identify the different types.

The simple way to obtain an SMD is to take one of the bulbs you want to replace to your local electric shop and ask them if they can get an SMD alternative. They should be able to, if they dont keep them in stock.

Choose only SMD's

If they are not SMD there is a chance they will not be able to stand any voltage above 12v. The SMD's don't get hot. You can handle them even though it has been on for over an hour, and they have a reported life of 50,000 hours.

Once you have identified the type of bulb holder you have (Eg G4 type), go on to E Bay and search for SMD G4, SMD 12v, SMD festoon or similar, and have a look for the SMD unit you require, eg. GU10 - G4 or SMD festoon (Festoon for car interior lights (Measure the length) - beneficial for light and power saving).

The cheapest SMD units are on E Bay from Hong Kong, (G4 - £2 each Inc postage (At time of writing)) and thats where I bought all mine, and they are good. UK prices are usually double or more, but have a good look around on the net.

For overhead G4 bulbs eg. Bailey Dome lights and flush mounted spot lights, choose a G4 SMD. There are SMD's that emit a bright white light, and those that emit a warm white light. I bought one of each to experiment with. So if you want the warm white SMDs then check specifically that is what you are ordering. Perhaps it might be advisable to choose the cold white type for dark or work areas and reading spots, and the warm white type for the lounge mood lights.

Cheap too - but you will have to wait a week or so from Hong Kong but some suppliers now stockpile in the UK with similar prices. Make sure you carry out a good search on E-Bay.

One note of advice. I have found the best way of fitting the above example is to insert the pins into the holder and then apply pressure to the bottom of the SMD near the base where the pins are, and bend the SMD to the right position. If you do it any other way, the solder joints are liable to break - which is not a problem if you are handy with a soldering iron. Some G4's have vertical pins on the back of the unit, so you will not have to bend any pins if the bulb holder is central.

SMD units usually have a full wave rectifier on it so its not polarity conscious, in other words, plug them in any way. There are some SMD’s that are not fitted with a rectifier. You can check to see if this small black recifier on the back of the SMD. If this is not present, it will mean that the SMD will only work when plugged in the correct way ie. Postive SMD to positive supply.

For those of you that want to modify or add overhead lighting in car or caravan, a dome light is a good modification which can be converted to SMD. Most halogen domes usually use the G4 SMD fitting ie 2 parallel pins.

What size you should fit?

The simple answer to that is an SMD which fits the holder.

Thus, saying that, you can get different size SMD's to fit in the same holder. Again, just to make sure - visit your local electric shop or E-Bay and have a look. E-Bay maufacturers usually give the dimensions in their adverts.

As an addage - 12v. SMD lights will not work with a dimmer switch - YET - and for interest :- you can now buy 230v SMD LED's. I use them in my overhead spots in the kitchen. My energy saving bulbs kept burning out. They might have been energy saving, but it was costing a fortune to replace them - my SMD's last FAR longer and are cheaper to buy and run. Click here for expensive UK prices (£10 plus) and, as before - cheaper on E Bay from Hong Kong (£3.68 Inc postage)

Fluorescent Conversions

I must also mention the fluorescent units that are generally found in vehicles. Strip lights have a power hungry transformer which wastes power. A twin Lumo fluorescent unit consumes 1.3 Amps in comparison to an SMD two unit which consumes point 33 of an amp. With roughly the same light output.

Photographs below of a converted twin fluorescent unit.





Notes

Ebay links work at time of publication.



  Comments on this article from our visitors

    Message posted by matty2303 on 11/08/2011 13:31:37Report Post Report this
just for clarity smd , surface mount device refers to the way the a component is mounted on a circuit board , and doesn't actually refer to the led , so just to be sure it is SMD LED'S you need to be looking for. :-)
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    Message posted by johnjory on 11/08/2011 14:24:34Report Post Report this

Useful sipplier of SMDs / LEDs:

http://www.ultraleds.co.uk/caravanmotorhome-leds-c-100.html?osCsid=jon4191fa6ou3197n5cqj0f9a0

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    Message posted by johnjory on 11/08/2011 14:40:23Report Post Report this

I did a search on Ultra LEDs for "G4" and this is what it came up with:

http://www.ultraleds.co.uk/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=g4&x=11&y=9

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    Message posted by DaveCoaches on 11/08/2011 18:34:33Report Post Report this
I recently changed all my halogen bulbs over. I got mine from this company in China on eBay by far the cheapest I could find.
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    Message posted by batt on 15/08/2011 21:23:37Report Post Report this

i have just put some strips up in my van

They are great!!!

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    Message posted by digby13 on 08/12/2012 18:16:01Report Post Report this
I've just changed some halogen bulbs for LEDs and they are miserably dim in comparison. They are about 90 lumens.
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    Message posted by vonc on 09/12/2012 22:04:13Report Post Report this
Ive started changing some of mine and I found the led for the reflective roof lights (downlighters) look brighter not dull as i expected as i had to get the disc shape ones...looking out for the 10w led for the others now and got them from abroad for a fraction of the price and came quickly.
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    Message posted by G7ACU on 10/12/2012 20:53:12Report Post Report this
Quote: Originally posted by digby13 on 08/12/2012
I've just changed some halogen bulbs for LEDs and they are miserably dim in comparison. They are about 90 lumens.


Puzzled by this as all mine changed and no discernible reduction in light output at all; in fact the only reduction is my 12v consumption.
Maybe you've got some odd 'soft' output lighting.

Vonc, glad to hear you're gradually getting your lighting sorted.
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    Message posted by amara 520 on 12/12/2012 21:48:55Report Post Report this

How many normal bulbs do you have on 240 v?

assuming 240 v,to pull  a current of 11.83 amps you will be using 2.6 kilowatts, at an average of 60 watts /bulb this would mean you have over 40 bulbs (if my basic calculations are correct  Amps x Volts = Watts)

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    Message posted by G7ACU on 12/12/2012 23:07:20Report Post Report this
Amara 520, I'm not sure to whom your addressing the question, but generally the replacement of lighting to LED's is for 12v circuits only; the purpose being to reduce consumption when off EHU and reliant on the battery for lighting.
Typical caravan halogen lights are rated 10w each, where as the LED replacements (certainly those I have anyway) are circa 0.6w
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    Message posted by amara 520 on 13/12/2012 10:52:05Report Post Report this
I was addressing my comment to Bailey Oklahoma and took "normal" to mean 240 v bulbs as LED lights can be used on 240 v circuits also.If 10w bulbs are used on a 12v circuit and  11.83amps are being pulled this means there are around 14 bulbs in use at the same time.Why would this be necessary?
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    Message posted by oldham on 13/12/2012 13:20:50Report Post Report this

Family is the answer to that, Two awning lights, 3 lights in the bathroom 2 spots over the kitchen. 4  Spots over the seating each necessary to whom every sitting there.2 Main lights so not to trip over the dog.   Pretty light in the drinks cabinet. 

They can all find the on switch, but struggle to find the off switch.

Yes we have changed to LEDs   

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    Message posted by DaveCoaches on 14/12/2012 07:02:01Report Post Report this
I dont think that it was suggested that all the bulbs were used at once anyway, just the potential that they could be. We have 15 bulbs in our caravan, but its rare to have more than 4 on for anything other than a few minutes. It's fair to day that between LED lighting and solar power caravanning has been transformed in recent years. It's a shame manufatureres don't cotton on and fit solar panels as standard instead of microwave ovens.
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    Message posted by vonc on 14/12/2012 08:05:04Report Post Report this
I agree there Dave...microwave oven is only big enough for a small bowl..a waste of space in my eyes...i lost count at 20 plus bulbs...iv changed 8 so far.. we will get there...next task how to fit this solar panel....lol
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    Message posted by vonc on 14/12/2012 08:05:14Report Post Report this
I agree there Dave...microwave oven is only big enough for a small bowl..a waste of space in my eyes...i lost count at 20 plus bulbs...iv changed 8 so far.. we will get there...next task how to fit this solar panel....lol
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    Message posted by DaveCoaches on 15/12/2012 16:12:05Report Post Report this
I fitted my own solar panel. It's not a difficult task. I made some aluminium angle frames and bolted them to the sides of the panel so thet the foot of the frames would leave a 15mm gap under the sides of the panel to allow for air circulation, and stuck the whole lot to the roof with sikaflex. I then used a plastic quadrant, the type used to seal round a bath to fill the gap under the panel front to stop winds getting under there while travelling.

I mounted this over the top of the wardrobe, which is wear the battery charger is mounted and run the wires through the roof, down some trunking to the voltage regulator and onto the outlet of the charger which in turn connects through heavy duty cable to the battery.

Solar panels are available from about £1 per watt now which is a lot less than I paid for mine. I recently changed the charge controller from the cheap Chinese one to a more expensive one that allows me to charge two batteries and monitor the voltage and charge in each, along with the voltage and output of the solar panel. Apparently a cheap regulator can waste a large amount of the power produced by the solar panel.

If you want any advise on fitting the solar panel, I would be happy to advise.
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    Message posted by vonc on 15/12/2012 16:28:28Report Post Report this
Thank yoi.....
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    Message posted by Leisurepower on 10/11/2014 12:33:29Report Post Report this
To be clear, SMD refers to Surface Mounted Diodes. This means the yellowy looking chips that stand just proud of the main body of the lamp, as opposed to the "Bubble" type led's encapsulated in little glass bubbles.

Buying Surface mounted diode LED's, is NO guarantee of better quality, there are cheap SMD LED all over ebay.

What IS important, is that they are REGULATED SMD L.E.D's

When using lighting in your Motorhome or Caravan (or boat) the L.E.D's MUST be able to operate at MORE than 12v DC.

This is because a fully charged battery is 12.7 Volts, and can get as high as 14v when charging your leisure batteries.

L.E.D's that state they are 12v DC will quickly fail at higher (or lower) voltages than 12v DC.

Buy SMD L.E.D's that are regulated! That is, they will operate from for example, at 10-30v DC, these will last 10 times as long as a typical 12v DC L.E.D in a leisure vehicle, and, whilst a little more expensive, offer far greater reliability. Stay away from the false economy of 12v DC only bulbs. Jacksons Leisure do a fine range of 10-30v DC bulbs, and seem to be the cheapest on the web...with a 2 year warranty!

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