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16/4/2009 at 6:06pm
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No, the picture is no longer available.
As far as I remember, the damage was indeed caused by folding in the beds in the wrong order, but that is no excuse. I have tried to do that before - actually on a Trigano Chantilly as it happens - and the mistake was not particularly obvious until the whole thing was down and clearly didn't sit right. In that situation, the strain was taken by the brackets which didn't seem to be phased at all. The photos - which you can't see any more - made it clear that this was a faulty TT.
I quite agree that bad welding is unlikely to cause problems on bed brackets, so I guess it comes down to priorities; I don't really care about decor and finish, what I want is straight lines, good welds and robust engineering.
Now, if you are happy with good-enough engineering (and that isn't a criticism - if it works, it works), and you do care about decor and finish, then you would obviously make a different choice to me.
I too like the Camp-Lets - they seem to be superbly engineered and are a really neat solution with all sorts of advantages.
One point though - don't be taken in by all that "erects in 2 minutes" guff. Yes, it only takes 2 mins to unfold the body, but it only takes 2 mins to unfold any trailer tent you care to mention. It's the pegging out which takes the time, which takes the same amount of time no matter whether you have a Sunncamp or a Camp-Let.
For my money, the real advantage is that you don't have to muck about erecting awning frames and zipping on canvas when stopping overnight, which really is a time saver. But again, do bear in mind that this is effectively because it doesn't have much of an awning. If you want an awning the same size as a Holiday 400SE or a Santale or a Chantilly then you still have to a)buy the uber expensive Royal, and b) erect it and peg it out just like everyone else.
The models which genuinely only take minutes to erect and get some sort of living space going are the Combi-Camp, Raclet Santale & Allegra, Sunncamp Holiday 240Duo, Cabanon Venus and the various FCs.
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16/4/2009 at 7:48pm
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Quote: Originally posted by racletcharlie on 16/4/2009
Well, as I say, I've never heard of any of them breaking, but the poles in between the centre ridge and the ridge at the camper end of each bed are removable, and held in place by white plastic end caps with a hook on. The hook goes through a white plastic cap on the side ridges, and the whole thing is held in place with a length of webbing with a popper on. Similarly, on the awning, the corner joints are not welded steel but molded plastic.
Probably fine, but not in my opinion a patch on the old conway ruddy-great-steel-bolt joints. Much fiddlier and slower to put up as well.
The side poles between the ridges don't take any stress - they simply keep the ridge poles the correct distance apart and stop the canvas sagging at the sides. The webbing with the popper on is just a safety precaution in case the side pole becomes detached during the erection process - stops the pole landing on your head!
Regarding the 'plastic' corner sections for the awning - these seem to be exactly the same design as used on quite expensive caravan awnings - Isabella, for example. The have been used for years so presumably
have stood the test of time.
So, just in case anyone is put off by previous comments - don't be. Pennines - and Conways - are great. They aren't perfect, but they are the best folding campers you can get.
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17/4/2009 at 11:05am
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Hi again Charlie,
I think, like everything else, what suits one might not suit someone else. I have read a few reports, for example, where there have been problems with the Conway sliding beds sticking. Indeed someone had to resort to using a hammer and some brute force in order to be able to close the unit so that it could be towed home. Also read recently of canvas being ripped after being caught in the sliding mechnism somehow. Pennine have always had the fold over system, more recently with the gas struts, which make life a lot easier! Because of the simplicity of this well proven method the problems associated with the Conway sliding system don't exist. Why manufacture something with possible problems, more expensive, more labour intensive, etc when there is an already existing perfectly satisfactory system in use?
So I'm afraid your comment that the Pennine Group had two possible erection systems which they owned the rights to, and they chose the manifestly inferior of the two because it was easier to make doesn't really hold water. My personal view of course
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17/4/2009 at 12:31pm
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Hehehehehehe! Touche!
Yes, all right, fair enough. They both have advantages and disadvantages.
BTW, did I say that I also disapprove of velcro as a means of fastening tent sides down? And that I don't care how much Pennine call it "Coffee and Cream", the colour scheme is exactly the same as my 1983 "poo brown and beige" Conway cruiser?
What I regret is that Pennine have abandoned the very thing which made Conway a distinct brand. Not only that, but they still manufacture the Connaumatic parts as spares! When I win the lottery, I am going to pay Pennine a shed load to make me a brand new Crusader with acrylic awning and silver sides, but with the slidey bed system.
BTW, you should NEVER have to resort to using a hammer to get a Conway down. If it sticks and you can't get it down, the instruction manual is quite clear on the subject. You take the canvas off (which is a pain but do-able), and all the tension in the system subsides and even quite badly bent bed frames can then be slid in with no probs. My 80s Cruiser has a HUGE kink in one of the sliders (not made by me) and still goes up and down with a bit of sympathy and understanding.
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