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09/10/2019 at 5:14pm
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Fully agree with Colin ease of access and dry location all prevent problems later. I retained the two 7 pin plugs on my last caravan and used a twin cable adapter. The 7 pin couplings i then secured under the towbar fairing thus dry and undisturbed. I chose a 13 pin set up when ordering my towbar as it is one cable and already factory wired both ends to plug into the wiring loom so easy. The 13 core cable seals well into both the plug and socket to prevent water ingress. As Colin points out 12v electrics hate water and gunge. Should anyone choose to swap the caravan cable look on Ebay for prewired plugs with 13 core cable ideally with prepared pre soldered ends. Saves time fiddly cable trimming and soldered ends are more secure. I love caravans I don't like iffy electrics. Best regards   


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Just curious how its been worked out that a 13 pin plug is more reliable than a 7 pin plug. I have been towing trailers folding campers and caravans for many years and many thousands of miles without any problems using a 7 pin plug, in fact they have been so reliable that I insisted my new car was also fitted with a 7 pin plug. I almost always use electric hook ups when on sites, so don't need my battery or fridge connected to my car. Earlier in my life I worked on auto electrics all be it mostly on motorcycles , making me conversant with both conventional and Can bus systems, Its another story but my knowledge has made it a no no to have a caravan fridge or battery connected to a Can bus system.
If someone with a good knowledge of auto electrics can explain why a 13 pin plug is more reliable than a 7 pin plug. I would be most thankfull

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15/10/2019 at 4:39pm
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I must admit I have found that hard to work out too Dimbles. AS reliable maybe, but I can't see how they can be MORE reliable as I've never had any significant problems with a 7 pin. Nothing a screwdriver and/or a can of WD40 couldn't fix anyway. Like you I have towed all sorts of trailers, all fitted with 7pin plugs.

I have never used a 13pin set-up but from what I have heard they twist to lock in. I would have thought that could be a bit dodgy in event of a breakaway as it would rip the wires out rather than just pulling the plug out. Is this the case? If so, surely that's a fire risk?


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i`m glad someone mentioned canbus.

you need to speak to the tow bar company and explain what car you have and that the camper will be 7 pin.

they will look up the requirements for your vehicle and install the correct fitting to be compatible with not only the canbus system (if fitted) but also the software version of the car (if applicable), then if need be they can reprogram the car to eliminate any errors.

it may be as simple as fitting a 13-7 adaptor.

but then they are the experts...


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Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 15/10/2019
I must admit I have found that hard to work out too Dimbles. AS reliable maybe, but I can't see how they can be MORE reliable as I've never had any significant problems with a 7 pin. Nothing a screwdriver and/or a can of WD40 couldn't fix anyway. Like you I have towed all sorts of trailers, all fitted with 7pin plugs.

I have never used a 13pin set-up but from what I have heard they twist to lock in. I would have thought that could be a bit dodgy in event of a breakaway as it would rip the wires out rather than just pulling the plug out. Is this the case? If so, surely that's a fire risk?




Thank you Collin I thought that I would be a voice in the wilderness on this one.
I am all for enjoying the benefits of having modern things that make life easier. But when things have been proven over time, and then changed for no reason, I have to admit to taking exception to it.   


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16/10/2019 at 6:55pm
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Likewise Dimbles. The only advantage I can see with the 13 pin plug is that you only have one plug instead of two. However, all it does is saves a few seconds when hitching up. Many people tow trailers as well as caravans, and if their car is fitted with a 13 pin socket they will have to change their trailer's plug or get an adapter. Trailers don't actually need 13 pins.

Having two standards can lead to problems, especially if people tow several different trailers. Years ago I had a small business and in that business I towed all manner of things, including car transporter trailers and boat trailers. I also towed my own caravan, but back then everything was fitted with 7pin plugs. I used two different tow-vehicles too, depending on what I was towing. If I were still running that business today I would need to equip both vehicles (or more if I had expanded) with various adapters.


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16/10/2019 at 7:56pm
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I've had 13 pin for about 8 years now and not had a single problem with it. I had 7 pin before that going back to about 40 years ago now and had several failures requiring the plug or socket to be replaced.

Some of the pins on the 13 pin were increased in size as the 7 pin was getting overloaded due to caravan electrical systems such as the fridge load increasing over the years. Also rear fog light and reversing lights were incorporated.

The 13 pin is also more waterproof than 7 pin so less likely to have problems.

I have 13 pin on car and caravan plugs in directly. I also have a small trailer and a dinghy trailer which have 7 pin on a lighting board. I simply keep a very small adaptor in the car for this. If the board is left on a trailer I leave the adaptor permanently attached to the plug.    


16/10/2019 at 8:17pm
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I doubt whether there is any problem with 13pin Navver, especially if people only tow their own caravan. There's nothing wrong with 13pin as such, but then I never had any problem with 7pin either.

My only slight concern is that if the 13pin plug locks in (and I'm not sure it does), what happens if there's a breakaway? I know that shouldn't happen, but it does. Would the wires rip out instead of the plug? If so, that could result in wires touching together and potentially starting a fire.

Is 13pin an improvement? I'm not convinced. Is the only improvement the fact that you only have one plug instead of two?


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Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 16/10/2019

My only slight concern is that if the 13pin plug locks in (and I'm not sure it does), what happens if there's a breakaway? I know that shouldn't happen, but it does. Would the wires rip out instead of the plug? If so, that could result in wires touching together and potentially starting a fire.





if the wiring has been done correctly, the fuse will blow with the current required therefore removing one of the requirements to start a fire.


17/10/2019 at 11:55am
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Quote: Originally posted by gedsjeep on 17/10/2019
Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 16/10/2019

My only slight concern is that if the 13pin plug locks in (and I'm not sure it does), what happens if there's a breakaway? I know that shouldn't happen, but it does. Would the wires rip out instead of the plug? If so, that could result in wires touching together and potentially starting a fire.





if the wiring has been done correctly, the fuse will blow with the current required therefore removing one of the requirements to start a fire.



Hopefully that would indeed be the case, but not guaranteed. Does your answer confirm that the plug does lock in then? I have no admit I have never actually taken a good look at one as my car, trailer, and caravan are all 7pin.



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nope. my answer confirms how the wiring would theoretically work in a break away.

my car aint posh enough for 13 pin


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Colin--the 13 pin uses a screw thread effect to draw the plug into the socket-only about 1/4 or 1/2 a turn is enough.It does lock in enough to prevent a straight pull out. I have experienced problems with the pins being bent on the 13 pin type and if you havent noticed can result in a few more bent pins--they are much thinner than the old 7 pin type.The 13 pin setup has the strength of the screwthread and the locking action of the socket lid to prevent a pullout so I personally think the cables would pull out of the connection block inside before the plug/socket joint gave up.

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Quote: Originally posted by BRYANMITCH on 25/11/2019
Colin--the 13 pin uses a screw thread effect to draw the plug into the socket-only about 1/4 or 1/2 a turn is enough.It does lock in enough to prevent a straight pull out. I have experienced problems with the pins being bent on the 13 pin type and if you havent noticed can result in a few more bent pins--they are much thinner than the old 7 pin type.The 13 pin setup has the strength of the screwthread and the locking action of the socket lid to prevent a pullout so I personally think the cables would pull out of the connection block inside before the plug/socket joint gave up.

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Yes indeed, that was part of my slight concern. If the wires pulled out of the caravan, as I suspected they might, you would have the entire cable snaking around all over the ground behind the car, and the wires with bare ends. Probably the cars fuses would blow, but I think I would prefer the plug to pull out as it would with a 7 pin. I have heard about the bent pins too.

Perhaps I'm just old fashioned, but it does seem like an "improvement" to something that didn't really need improving. I can't really see much advantage.



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So has anybody had the wires pulled out of the caravan and snaking across the road?
I'm thinking that for this to happen you've probably lost your caravan so a few wires which have come lose would be the least of my worries!


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Quote: Originally posted by Bramidan on 26/11/2019
So has anybody had the wires pulled out of the caravan and snaking across the road?
I'm thinking that for this to happen you've probably lost your caravan so a few wires which have come lose would be the least of my worries!



Very true, but that is exactly what I said earlier. I was talking about the case of a breakaway. I wouldn't want to add to the already disastrous situation by having wires ripped out instead of simply a plug pulled out.


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