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Subject Topic: Trigano or camp-let, ditherer needs help
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31/7/2013 at 6:16pm
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Thanks Nafuk,

Do you think it will be a sufficient size for when the DDs are early teens or should we buy the awning?

Can I ask what you think about the bottom of the beds being pulled out similar to a sofa bed? Does it feel nice and solid as a result and are the beds a decent length and width? I was a bit disappointed to see the ends of the beds needed pulling out/extending to be honest. Appreciate though that this seems to be the case with the models with the hard floor (Combi-camp) as opposed to those on stilts (camp-let).

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31/7/2013 at 8:51pm
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In the main unit we sleep two adults and a 7 and 13 year old; 17 year old sleeps in the end awning. So main unit is certainly okay for early teens. Physical comfort wise, 4 normal sized non-heavy adults/teens could sleep comfortably; mental comfort may be a different issue :)
Extending the beds is no problem - they do not pull out but rather a section folds over and hinged legs fold down. There is plenty of floor area remaining and we use the bed overhang to store cloths, bags etc underneath. Still plenty of room along the other side (where side annex would zip on if you had one) to store holdalls etc. for clothes. The folded out section is solid since it is supported by sturdy legs. If the design did not have the fold over bed piece the trailer would be wider and you would probably not be able to walk past the side of the trailer when it was in a garage.
We have the additional bed slats so very comfy, but will not use these this year to save space. Beds are still comfy; we are not heavy people though (tallest is 5'11").
The hard floor area is good for dressing since, if all the windows in this area are closed, no-one can see in, even if the main awning is not attached, or the main awning windows are open (have to dress in the main awning area in a Camplet so curtains have to be closed, unless you like .......!
Personally I would buy the rear annex/awning over the side annex because, although you will all be comfortable in the main unit, the rear annex covers the trailer front: hitch and front storage box (essential). It provides an additional bedroom for friends, fighting DD's, and also an area for storing stuff (wetsuits, boogie boards, toilet, mother-in-law etc). In Spain the smaller cheaper pitches are bijou and we would find it a squeeze with a side annex. The rear annex also has a separate door to the rear so teenagers returning in the small hours may not wake you up.

If buying a Combi get one which is braked (the new ones are all braked I think), has a front storage box, spare tyre and holder. For additional comfort/adaptability buy a rear or side annex. Cheap £20 bike racks from Halfords can be fixed to the trailer roof rack (we have 4).
Buy the used one on ebay with the side annex (it will not depreciate much more over the next 5 years) and eat out every night when camping for the next few years :)
Hope that helps.


31/7/2013 at 10:13pm
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Thanks Nafuk
You've answered all my queries, much appreciated. Encouraging that you can sleep so many in it (we are 2 average adults plus 2 small girls so should be ok too).

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01/8/2013 at 8:19am
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Note what Nafuk said about mental comfort! Other members have said that the Odyssee is too small for a family of four, but we've always found it a comfortable size and never wanted anything bigger. On the other hand I do like plenty of space to sleep in! So once again its what suits you personally.

We have got the side annex as well and it does make the unit wide, but we should still be ok on a standard pitch because its pretty much exactly 5m. We went for the special layout, which means that although its a king sized bed it folds out at the end. I like end on, we don't disturb each other if we get up in the night and its what we are used to. We considered two doubles and a rear awning, but want it to last beyond the kids coming, so got what suited us and added bits for them! I've found bags slide under the end nicely.

We haven't tried leaving all the parts of the awning attached, though we might when we move on Monday. If the wind gets up that would be like trying to control the integral awning again, but it would save quite a bit of time.

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01/8/2013 at 9:24am
 Location: Heywood Lancashire
 Outfit: Trigano Odyssee
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We are also a family of four (2 boys aged 7 and 10) and have recently swapped our Chantilly for an Odyssee. The Chantilly took forever to set up and we actually found it too big - most of our holidays are spent outside! At the moment we have one bed and the boys share the other but I'm sure it won't be long before the older one is in the under the bed tent! Only had a couple of UK weekends away in it so far but can't recommend the Odyssee highly enough - love the ease and speed of set up, the comfy beds, the ZIG - off to France for 4 weeks on Saturday - can't wait! All the best with your decision!


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01/8/2013 at 5:08pm
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Thanks very much everyone. After all the helpful advice on here and watching many you tube put up and pull down videos I think it's going to be between the Combi-camp, Trigano alpha and Comanche montana with annexes. The main reasons being we will do lots of short trips (2-3 nights) as opposed to long stays, so putting up quickly is paramount. I feel the Camp-let is a more difficult beast to set up and I hate the kitchen. We also really need a hard top to keep the mice out.

I will view them all in person over the next couple of months and be sure to report back.



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01/8/2013 at 5:09pm
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Forgot to mention, I think the Trigano alpha is going to come out the same price as the Combi-camp as you pay extra for the awning/annex/ZIG. So will be useful to compare quality when I see them.

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03/8/2013 at 6:50pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Valiant Son on 29/7/2013
There is a lot said about the quality of the Camp-let, and when I bought mine that was certainly how I felt too. I am, however, less enamoured than I once was. Problems I have found due to questionable design/construction:

1) Battery compartment for water pump is placed too closely to the pipe work so that the cover won't fit on once the batteries are inserted. The cover needs to be on to secure the connection of the battery terminals. The end result is that you need to jerry-rig something to hold the batteries in tightly.

2) Centre roof pole is poorly designed, with the end that meets the bedroom compartments simply resting (a little precariously at times) on the poles to each side. It could easily have been designed to clip on to either side (as many of the other poles do, e.g. the curiously named, "wardrobe pole" - most useless wardrobe ever).

3) The lid does not always close squarely (to be honest it's rare if it does). This means that it doesn't engage with the catch at the kitchen end and two people are needed to pull/push it into alignment - with considerable force required.

4) The centre joining pole for the front of the tent can be incredibly difficult to get out. Two people needed to manhandle it.

5) The restraining strap for the pivot bar is incredibly tight to fit and, once again, often requires two people using considerable force to push the pivot bar in tight enough and then fiddling around to get the strap on. If it were merely 5mm longer then it would be fine and would still hold the pivot bar in place.

6) No SIG (not possible given the principle of the design) or ZIG (entirely possible if they wanted to make one). Camperlands did produce a strong waterproof groundsheet for Camp-lets. This was supposed to be a "bathtub" design, with the edges sitting up at 90 degrees to the ground, so that water wouldn't wash in to the tent. I have never been able to get it to do this. It is a very strong groundsheet, but doesn't do what it is supposed to do. At £100 I expected it to actually do its job! (I should really have complained under the terms of the Sale of Goods Act).

7) The jockey wheel is horrendously badly designed. Every time I hitch up I spend another 10 minutes making sure that the jockey wheel is secure and isn't going to drop or swing about (thereby smashing into the electrics connection) during the journey. The first time I towed it (back from Camperlands having picked it up) I didn't realise this and ended up with a damaged electrics connection and a damaged bumper where it had pushed the plate on my towbar inwards!

The kitchen is a bit low and not absolutely stable, but this isn't one of my major gripes. It works well enough and is significantly better than lifting many of the heavy units found on other trailer tents. I would add, however, that there are a couple of issues worth keeping in mind with regard to the kitchen unit:

a) It has a three ring gas hob, but unless you have very small pans then you will only ever be able to use two at any given time.

b) The lack of a waste connection to the sink (washing up bowl) means that if you drain anything (e.g. pasta) you then have a pool of water sat in it that needs emptying somewhere.

The chassis, body work and tent fabric are all of a high quality, but the lack of care and thought in construction significantly undermine the potential for this to be a really good trailer tent.

The instructions suggest that you don't need to peg the mud-flaps down unless the whether is very bad. Apart from the weather being rather changeable - so how do you know if it is going to be bad or not - this is also a bit of a stretch of reality. Without pegging them down even slight gusts of wind lift the canvas and cause significant bowing of the tent walls. Peg them down and it is very sturdy.

As others have observed, it is very quick to put up (i.e. fold out lid and lift the tent out), but then takes quite a long time to fit the other poles (wardrobe pole - actually provides rigidity; centre pole; roof pole), skirt, and peg out. All in I reckon it is more like 45 minutes if you are going well!

Ultimately I think that Camp-let have been a bit lazy when it comes to refining the product and are not always that careful in building them. The basic design has been around for 40 years. There has been little refinement or innovation since. On their website, Camp-let say,

Quote: The idea behind the Camp-let has always been that it should be quick to erect – a smart design and that the quality has top priority. Through the years the achievement of these main targets has given us total customer satisfaction and the best trailer tent.

I can't help feeling that they are a little bit complacent. I am not the only customer who has expressed disappointment and reservations.

Don't get me wrong; there are a lot of good things about Camp-lets, but they are not the wonder trailer tents that they could easily be with a little more thought and care!




Might be able to help with a couple of bits:

1: Not had a problem with our battery compartment, getting the batteries in the right way round, now that I have had a problem with, it's had me as confused as trying to do a rubiks cube!

2: Roof pole is a bit of a pain, I find it works best if you stand on the trailer bed section and push the bedroom poles it rests on backwards as far as you can before tightening the screw up.

3: Are you aligning your poles properly before you shut the lid? Are you trying to squeeze too much in the trailer?

4: Are you taking the centre joining pole out before you swing over the kitchen pole? If you're swinging it over first it is very tight to get it out but there's lots of space if you leave the kitchen pole swung out.

5: Kitchen pole again, swing it over before you fold the canvas sides in, it'll go easy as long as you've not tried to force too much luggage into the trailer or put it too near the edges, you need to leave room for the poles to fit.

6: Can't help with, i've never liked sigs in tents. Prefer grass if possible, otherwise never had a problem with the loose breathable groundsheet same as in caravan awnings.

7: No idea about, I got my jockey wheel cheap of ebay. Hasn't given a problem yet.

Re the kitchen, if you use a piece of wood to stand the legs on and push the kitchen upwards as you're tightening the legs you get a good sturdy kitchen, it is a bit low but hey I'm not stood there for long!

Agree you would need quite small pans to use all 3 burners effectively, never needed 3 rings at the same time myself but I do have one of the old fashioned 1960's pan sets that are like 3 triangle shaped pans that go together over one ring, they have one detachable handle. They're really handy if you ever see one at a car boot or on ebay.

I've bought a plughole and waste pipe from our local camping shop but not got round to attaching it to the washing up bowl yet, it's one of those things I need to get round to as it would be so much handier to have a waste pipe. Another camplet owner on the camplet facebook page has done a cracking job of doing theirs.

Pegging out: In good weather I only use 7 pegs, front and back corners, middles of the sides and middle of the front. Mud flaps out to collect rain water help hold it all down and keep out draughts in wet weather.

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06/8/2013 at 8:13pm
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Thanks for your thoughts Kate.

Unfortunately it doesn't sound like they will make much difference, but I do appreciate you trying to help.

I don't pack anything in the trailer so it certainly isn't over-full!

Not quite sure what you mean about aligning the poles properly before shutting the lid.

Yes, always take the centre joining pole out before swinging over the pivot bar.



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