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Subject Topic: Esterel Laden Weight Post Reply Post New Topic
Personhattytheherald
08/6/2012 at 10:21pm
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Hi

We bought an Esterel C39 last year and have spent many months doing various repairs.  We have recently fitted a new axle and hitch with capacity up to 1300kg.

The origional plate says 750kg as maximum laden wieight with nose weight of 67kg.  There is a further figure (PME) of 750kg.  Looking around the internet Esterel's seem to have various weights and we can't seem to find another like ours to be certain that the above figures are correct. 

Does anyone know the unladen weight so we know roughly how much we have to play with?  Also as we have uprated the hitch and axle, does this mean that legally we would be able to carry a bit more.  Our new tyres are rated at 437 each which would mean a maximum of 874kg so we're not looking at going the whole 1300kg but would be nice if we had alittle more to play with.

Thanks

Vanessa

 


Personescargot
09/6/2012 at 10:32am
 Location: France
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Interesting question.
As you have the original chassis still with it's plate, from a legal point of view that's it - over here anyway as the law is pretty hot on the non homologué or non-conformity of anything towed even trailers.
I think if you wish to carry more weight than originally intended, your C39 should be reclassified offically as only then will you know what's legal and safe.


Personhattytheherald
10/6/2012 at 9:48pm
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Thanks for the reply Escargot. When you say reclassified, the guy who fitted the axle and hitch is supplying us with a certificate, do you think this will be enough?

Thanks


Personescargot
11/6/2012 at 10:02am
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I'm not sure about how you go about it in UK or if the Certificate you speak of would be legal here (France).
If the Certificate carried the original chassis original details as on the plate riveted to chassis, then perhaps.
Over here, 750kg upwards has to have a Carte Gris or Registration Form and is registered with a "number plate" which is why you often see caravans/boats - cars with different registration numbers when logically you would expect them to be the same.
So if I were to modify the original specifications of my esterel (provided it was heavy enough to be in this category) I would have to have the Carte Gris amended to reflect the new specifactions. The "chassis plate" would remain the original of course but the new Garte Gris would cross-refer and satisfy any Gendarme provided the weigh-bridge figures backed you up.
You may think all this is a bit beaurocratic but when you see some of the grossly and obviously overweight/unsafe "holiday" vehicles gasping their way along the auto-routes the reason for legality becomes clear.
Maybe you could get in touch with DVLC Swansea (if that's still where it's done) and ask them what to do, or hopefully somebody from the forums will point you in the right direction.
You obviously want to carry more weight or this thread wouldn't be here but consider the chassis is not the same age as the new axle and I wouldn't think a garage is in a position to offically issue modified PME weights etc! If it's only a few kilo's I don't think I would worry too much but here, vehicles are weighed if checked and thought to be overweight. This is when you have to produce the papers...    


PersonBridgelayer
11/6/2012 at 10:20am
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I would suggest you contact VOSA with any queries as they rule!

They will be able to issue plates that will cover abroad as well as UK.

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Personescargot
11/6/2012 at 3:21pm
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There you go.
I suppose it all depends on how much extra you want...
You can with an Esterel


Personhattytheherald
11/6/2012 at 9:35pm
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Thanks for the suggestion Bridgelayer - we shall contact vosa to see where we stand.

Escargot - love the link! and we thought we had to travel light! Thats the first Esterel I've seen with twin axle! Very interesting.

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