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03/1/2016 at 9:26pm
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If the lead wasn't fused surely that doesn't matter as arnt havens socket got that built in ?? Ime not sure as not used just wondering why they make a lead like it
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03/1/2016 at 9:34pm
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yes the hookup supply will be fused and rcd protected, but if you trip the fuse on the post you may not have access to reset,not fun in the middle of the night.at the end of the day it's your choice,for me i prefer to have control over my familys safety,so having my own rcd protected electrics gives me peace of mind.
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03/1/2016 at 9:44pm
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Ok I see ;)
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03/1/2016 at 11:20pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Usher4566 on 03/1/2016Both lost me lol are u saying about inverting the 12v wen off the grid ?
If I tell u my use then maybe u could tell me wats suitable
I will 90% be useing camps like haven and park resorts with electric hook up on camp I will need light and sometimes a heater occasionally I will need the fridge and cooker but not very often as we eat out most times ??? I have already a lead I bought for camping it's a hook up lead with 4 sockets had fit tents but never used
OK. It all depends on how much you want to spend, and whether or not you want to cover all bases. A lot of this has been covered above, but here's my thoughts;
If you are on electric hookup 90% of the time, then you may as well make the most of it and use their 240V BUT, as has already been pointed out, if you don't have any 12V power, you can't run the lights or the water pump, so you need to address that.
Option (1) is that you fit a leisure battery. This isn't a cheap option, but it does mean you can have 12v power 100% of the time, even when there's no electric hookup. The Cruiser already has an onboard 12V system, so the battery just plugs into that, and away you go. I used to have a 1997 Pennine Sterling, which is pretty much identical to the Cruiser in a lot of ways, and my battery was under the seat, next to the kitchen unit, as well. That is the logical place to put it in the older models.
Option (2) is that you use a transformer to convert your 240V power into 12V power to run your lights and pump. Not quite so simple to connect up to the onboard 12V system I would imagine (but don't quote me, as I mentioned before; I don't do electrics). My personal issue with this is; what do you do on the 10% of occasions when there is no EHU? Then you have no power at all. This is why I now have everything in my current Sterling.
OK, so those are your options on 12V power, so, what about 240V?
Option (a) is a camping style hookup lead, along the lines of what you already have. I sell a lot of Pennine Aztecs, which, mostly, don't have 240V systems, so I always purchase one of these, for them, before I sell it, but I would never consider buying one without a built in RCD. In theory the one you have is absolutely fine, and you are right, the EHU post will have its own, but, again, I would have to agree that it is far better to have your own RCD to be able to trip, rather than losing power completely as 2am. That's just personal preference, though.
If you go for this option, you can still plug your fridge into it, and you could plug in either a transformer, to power the 12V system, or a battery charger, to charge your leisure battery, if fitted.
Option 2 is the full blown 240 system which you can buy as a complete kit, ready for installation. If you buy this, then you have the choice of going for a transformer and running the 12V from that (Option (2) above) or a leisure battery with charger (Option (1) above).
There is, actually, a third option on 240V, and that is no have no hookup at all, but to install a leisure battery and then use a small inverter to convert the 12V of the battery up to 240V. Unfortunately, this would kill the battery very quickly, if anything too large was run off it, plus, of course, there would be no way of charging the battery (unless you had a solar panel).
What would I, personally, go for? Well, this is just my personal opinion, and others may disagree, but I believe a leisure battery is a no brainer. Get that in, and your 12V electrics are covered wherever you are. Then you just need to sort your 240v electrics / battery charger. A lead like you have now is perfectly adequate to run your power in, and then any smart charger will keep the battery nicely topped up when on site. If you want to go a bit more professional, then something like this is a cost effective way of doing it, and all you then need is the charger. Towsure Caravan Mains Kit Hopefully, that clarifies it a bit.
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04/1/2016 at 7:43am
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Perfect thank u I get it now and that kit ain't bad price either thx so much ;)
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04/1/2016 at 8:51am
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the only thing i would add is you don't have to have a leisure battery as a car battery will do the job fine and is far cheaper. you could pick one up at the scrap yard. go for one with a high ah rating,something out of a large diesel car or van will do nicely.
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04/1/2016 at 8:56am
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last point, if you want to go the fixed wiring route,then it will be cheaper to buy the stuff as individual items. you can get them all off ebay. i did mine for £38.
i notice the kits tend to come with surface mounted plug sockets,which are ok,but can be knocked and broken.to fit recessed sockets,say into the front of the seat area,you will need something like mdf,to thicken the panel so the back boxes have something to hold on to.
for me i have fitted 4 sockets.2 in the seating base. one in the side of the cooker cupboard,and one in the cupboard next to the door.this one to use stuff in the awning.
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04/1/2016 at 11:00am
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Whilst I would agree with the majority of that it's probably worth pointing out, just to avoid confusion, that a car battery is not the same as a leisure battery, and they are not designed to operate or discharge in the same way, so a car battery is not a cheaper way of getting the same result, it is a cheaper way of getting a slightly different result. Lots of people use them without any problems at all, and, as quite rightly pointed out, they are cheaper, but just be aware that they are different, and, personally, I would always go for a battery designed for the job in hand. It is, however, an option worth considering, if cost is an issue.
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04/1/2016 at 5:24pm
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yes agree a leisure battery is better,but the power used in an early cruiser is so small a car battery will serve just as well. the one i use now is 4 years old was used when i got it and is going fine.
i do think having a smart charger with a maintenance/ battery recovery setting helps keep the battery happy.
mine came out of a diesel bmw and is a 90ah battery.
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05/1/2016 at 7:43pm
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Another option is to have a transformer to run the 12volt when on 240volt mains hook up and use the cars grey socket to provide 12volt when not.
This assumes you won't use much 12volt, just water pump and one or two lights for a short period.
It will save the weight and expense of a battery and may be a good solution if you only camp off EHU very occasionally for short periods. Of course the car battery will be recharged if you use the car during the day.
This is the set up we have on our dandy but we never camp off EHU.
However the bees knees is to have an on board leisure battery and charger as Bluesky says, as you are covered no matter where you go
I would reiterate what has been said about your existing mains lead which sounds as if it has no RCD built in. If so, I strongly recommend you don't use it in a camper or tent. Yes it's true the site should have an RCD but they may not leaving you unprotected or it may be faulty.
Also some folks plug in at home using an adaptor so the blue plug fits a 13A domestic socket.
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05/1/2016 at 7:54pm
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Thanks for reply sounds a good option the lead I can replace or maybe fit the electrics . And then a transformer Ime not sure I would need a leisure battery as will always be on hook up always ;)
So the cheapest option can I clarify --- new lead with rcd and transformer ???? No battery ??? Sound correct
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21/1/2016 at 12:12pm
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Can anybody give me a pic or a link to a 12v transformer ??? Ime worried Wat one to get
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