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Subject Topic: Waterproofing 2007 Conway folding camper? Post Reply Post New Topic
21/2/2016 at 11:13am
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We recently purchased have a 2007 Conway cruiser folding camper, and was wondering if we should have it re waterproof?
Can anyone recommend a company in the northwest who can do this? Or can you do it yourself? Which products do you use?
Thanks


21/2/2016 at 11:52am
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The natural fibres on the canvas swell when wet to waterproof the canvas ,If you have the canvas reproofed the fibres cannot swell and you are relying on the reproofing to provide the seal. Basically you would have to keep reproofing every season. Best thing to do is give the canvas a good soaking to see if leaks.The usual cause of leaking is something rubbing against the canvas.
We had a 1999 cruiser never leaked in some shocking weather and storms .
If its not broke do not fix it
Hope this helps GCB


21/2/2016 at 1:23pm
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Agree. Never water proof any cotton canvas unless you absolutely have to, and never, under any circumstances, do it as a preventative measure. For the reasons GCB has already mentioned.

If it ever does leak, try wetting and drying a few times (called weathering) to allow the fibres chance to fully swell again, and re fill the holes.

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21/2/2016 at 2:41pm
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Just a couple of points on the above. Canvas manufactures recommend proofing every 5 years or so,to protect the canvas from uv,important for use in sunnier climes than ours. The whole thing about redoing it every year is a myth.
Secondly,there are many horror stories about tents being sent for cleaning and proofing,and it really is an easy job,the awkward bits can be done from inside.
So,basically,don't do it,and if you must ,do it yourself!

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21/2/2016 at 3:57pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Miserly on 21/2/2016 Just a couple of points on the above. Canvas manufactures recommend proofing every 5 years or so,to protect the canvas from uv,important for use in sunnier climes than ours. The whole thing about redoing it every year is a myth. Secondly,there are many horror stories about tents being sent for cleaning and proofing,and it really is an easy job,the awkward bits can be done from inside.
So,basically,don't do it,and if you must ,do it yourself!



Some do recommend it, and would agree it's particularly relevant in sunnier climes. To be honest, though, because the vast majority of campers are folded up for most of the time, the harmful UV can't get anywhere near them, then, so that's not an issue for most of us.

It's not a myth, at all, to say they will need to be renewed every year, BUT that does depend on the state of the canvas when it was proofed, so it CAN be true, and, for others, it wont be. If you treat a canvas that has been allowed to dry out fully, the fibres will be at their smallest, and, therefore, the holes at their largest. I know a number of people who have treated it in this state and it has continued to flood in, because the proofing fluid has 'locked' the holes open.

If it is treated after a good weathering, then the fluid locks the holes closed, and then, I would, definitely, agree with you on that one Miserly. No need to re oroof for a number of years. Somewhere between the two (which is most common) the holes will be partially open. If this is the case, the fluid will seal them, but it doesn't take long for the movement of the canvas, the elements etc to break it down, and, hence, the commonly held belief that it needs re doing regularly.

As I say; all depends on the situation when it's applied.

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21/2/2016 at 6:06pm
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I am trying to help here,not score points.

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21/2/2016 at 6:36pm
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As are we all. Just clarifying the differences.

GCB said one thing. You said the opposite. Just clarifying the differences, and why they occur.

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21/2/2016 at 7:23pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Blue Sky Pennine on 21/2/2016
Quote: Originally posted by Miserly on 21/2/2016 Just a couple of points on the above. Canvas manufactures recommend proofing every 5 years or so,to protect the canvas from uv,important for use in sunnier climes than ours. The whole thing about redoing it every year is a myth. Secondly,there are many horror stories about tents being sent for cleaning and proofing,and it really is an easy job,the awkward bits can be done from inside. So,basically,don't do it,and if you must ,do it yourself!



Some do recommend it, and would agree it's particularly relevant in sunnier climes. To be honest, though, because the vast majority of campers are folded up for most of the time, the harmful UV can't get anywhere near them, then, so that's not an issue for most of us.

It's not a myth, at all, to say they will need to be renewed every year, BUT that does depend on the state of the canvas when it was proofed, so it CAN be true, and, for others, it wont be. If you treat a canvas that has been allowed to dry out fully, the fibres will be at their smallest, and, therefore, the holes at their largest. I know a number of people who have treated it in this state and it has continued to flood in, because the proofing fluid has 'locked' the holes open.

If it is treated after a good weathering, then the fluid locks the holes closed, and then, I would, definitely, agree with you on that one Miserly. No need to re oroof for a number of years. Somewhere between the two (which is most common) the holes will be partially open. If this is the case, the fluid will seal them, but it doesn't take long for the movement of the canvas, the elements etc to break it down, and, hence, the commonly held belief that it needs re doing regularly.

As I say; all depends on the situation when it's applied.



excellent explanation


21/2/2016 at 11:11pm
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Check to see if it leaks when wet. We have a 30 year old TT which is still water tight. Don't use a proving solution unless you really need to. As other posters have said once you start you will have to keep reproofing


22/2/2016 at 8:31am
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Our Conway is a 1997 and has never been reproofed and is still watertight as we found out during a heavy downpour in Cornwall. The manual does recommend reproofing but as has been said, we'll leave until its necessary.

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22/2/2016 at 4:47pm
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Thank you everyone really appreciate it. I think I will leave it then and she how we get on over the spring.


23/2/2016 at 10:22am
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Wait for a sunny weekend and put up the camper, this being the UK it will turn the sky a deep dark hue and the heavens will open.....you'll have two things then.
1, You'll know if its waterproof.
2, If it isn't then you'll not need to waste water weathering is and Mother Nature has just done the job for you......;)


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23/2/2016 at 12:28pm
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Thank you hicky70. I will do.


25/2/2016 at 11:25pm
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If you really have to proof a tent, try something other than fabsil which is silicon based, silicon blocks the pores of the fabric, such as http://www.stormcare.co.uk/canvas-waterproofer-5l.html
from my tests on a club frame tent, it seems much better than fabsil


26/2/2016 at 10:48am
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Thank you sparky230



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