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15/1/2024 at 12:36am
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Sadly you will find that selfish inconsiderate attitude almost everywhere you will go these days. Both wild places and formal campsites.
I believe the legal 'Right to roam' and camp in Scotland has had to be restricted in a number of areas mostly because of the abuse of the land by a minority of campers who did as you described with littering and fouling.
I've found the detritus of wild campers on the Lake District fells and Devon moors, and no matter how remote an area, you'll likely find litter!
I've noticed a general falling of 'standards' on camp sites, there used to be a camping etiquette, mostly unwritten rules, more or less just good manners, that could be assumed on camp sites, sadly not so any more, disturbing noise, inconsiderate behaviour etc. are often to be expected now. Last trip away in Nov last year, there were so many truly selfish campers, I struggled to believe it, such a contrast to how it used to be.
I organise an annual camping long w/e for a dog rescue charity's dog adopters, been going for around 10 years now, but year-on-year we have to add more event 'rules' to try and counter bad behaviour by a minority, we ban those that act inconsiderately from attending further events, but each year someone new comes along and brings yet another form of inconsiderate behaviour, these are not boisterous youngsters who just get a bit carried away, these are mature people with a bad attitude and no consideration!
I have noticed more and more parking areas at beaches and woodland areas now have height restriction barriers to prevent campervan/MH sized vehicles gaining access, sometimes accompanied by a notice explaining why the restrictions have been introduced, inevitably it's the littering and fouling!
For the life of me I can't understand it, you go to a beautiful place BECAUSE it's beautiful, then destroy that beauty!
Can't help but tie the deteriorating standards with the mass uptake of 'camping' from the Covid years, when foreign holidays were all but impossible and masses took to camping in the UK.
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“I believe the legal 'Right to roam' and camp in Scotland has had to be restricted in a number of areas mostly because of the abuse of the land by a minority of campers who did as you described with littering and fouling.”
Not quite.
It’s not “a legal right to roam”, it’s the “right of responsible access” and the word “responsible” covers our behaviour as walkers or campers etc.
The legal bit is that “wild camping”, by the letter of the access legislation, does not cover vehicle access. It covers people walking, cycling, kayaking etc, carrying all their gear with them. And it’s limited to 3 nights in any one place. It’s just unglamorous “overnight parking” for MHs up here (and some MHs stay for a week).
The Loch Lomond & the Trossachs National Park has a voucher system for all campers, tents & MHs, due to that lack of being responsible by the minority (eg people leave tents behind).
The most extreme result of bad behaviour has been the Applecross area of the North Coast 500 where MHs parked all along the verge by the sea & drove into the fragile machair. (Not responsible.) So a ditch had to be dug (and fences put up elsewhere on the NC500) to stop people driving off into the dunes.
What I’m saying is, MH folk can take away all the rubbish and the toilet contents but still do long lasting damage with a heavy vehicle on wheels. And they can spoil visitors & locals’ enjoyment by blocking the view from the road & filling the car park so others can’t enjoy a walk: hence the gantries over the coastal car parks in my area. I was mighty cross to go to my favourite spot near home for my picnic lunch & find 2 MHs side by side, with 2 parking spaces between them & their awnings over those spaces with their chairs set out: 4 spaces taken up.
Yes, I have a MH. Personally, I think much of the bad behaviour is in hired vehicles, they don’t have the ethos, don’t care, have a sense of entitlement because of the false perception (as someone said to us) - “oh it must be lovely, you can stop wherever you want for the night”.
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2024 = 20 sites / 41 nights. 2023 = 9/23. 2022 = 13/35. 2021 = 11/29. 2020 = 4/20. 2019 = 13/35. 2018 = 20/33. 2017 = 10/22. 2016 = 19/33. 2015 = 15 sites / 27 nights. Didn't count 1976 to 2014.
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