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19/2/2010 at 10:11am
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Hi, just been reading the topic on adding 2 stroke oil to deisel ,some maintain better mileage from Shell/Esso over the supermarkets, does this apply to Petrol as i usually use supermarkets, especially in France, anyone have any views on this.

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19/2/2010 at 10:29am
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Yes,

I do not use supermarket fuel as it it does not contain the special additives that the branded fuel has.
Don't get me wrong, it still has additives in it and is still BS approved and in the vast majority comes some the same refinery as Shell/BP etc. However Shell/BP etc add extra additives to the tanker.

How do I know you ask, as I do work in refinery's. And as you are from the Wirral you will know Stanlow very well

I always use branded, and my car for some reason prefers Shell, whilst the wifes prefers Texaco.


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19/2/2010 at 11:02am
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The only way to test the fuels in a driving situation would be to have two sets of cars  with the different fuels in them - with none of the drivers knowing which fuel was in the car they were driving. 

That is unlikely to happen so we have only personal experiences on the effectiveness of any additives, or the petrol companies claims.  Petrol companies have made all sorts of claims for their fuels down the years.  They always seem to be new and improved.



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Its correct to say that fuel supplied in the UK to supermarkets has no additives, certainly Shell & other branded fuel tankers load from the same depot as supermarket tankers but the drivers add the additive during loading.

French supermarket fuel does claim to have additives tho & many UK drivers claim their diesel vehicle runs better on French diesel(I tend to agree with this). If this is the case I would guess it is because the French do not remove the sulphur from their diesel whereas in't UK sulphur is removed.


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The good reason for adding 2 stroke oil to diesel would be improved lubrication to injectors & pump but I can't see any logical advantage of adding 2 stroke oil to petrol.


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20/2/2010 at 11:10am
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Hi, i agree, to add 2 stroke to petrol would cause problems and i didn't mean to imply this as an option. If i started using Shell/Esso would the difference be immediate,or would i have to run the Tesco stuff through the tank. I'm certainly going to try it and will start when i next need petrol and i must admit that the service in Tesco stations is terrible, the staff go out of their way to treat you with contempt, you often have to wait whilst they have a conversation with another member of staff, it is definitely not a pleasant experience using my local Tesco on the Wirral.

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20/2/2010 at 11:46am
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I guess you would have to run the Tesco stuff out first, perhaps run down to less than a 1/4 of a tank then fill with Shell. If you want accurate consumption figures you need to brim your tank & go on mileage, trip computers can sometimes be a bit out.

The more expensive V Power/Excellium type petrol/diesel is made from the LP gas byproduct of the refining process & therefore claims to be clean of microscopic particals that might shorten the life of injectors. As always with this sort of thing nobody knows the real truth but V Power does slightly improve fuel consumption but not enough to make the extra cost worthwhile.

Stuff like Slick 50 & other additives have been around for decades & yet there is no definite proof that they improve things. The only certain thing is that if you don't fill up at Tescos you won't get your Clubcard points.


20/2/2010 at 1:06pm
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I think my diesel rus smoother on Shell, but that might be because it`s 1p sometimes 2p per litre cheaper than my nearest supermarket fuel and I would have to pass the Shell station to get to the supermarket station


22/2/2010 at 6:20pm
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there is no difference my local gets BP petrol from BP in a BP lorry and i'v seen the same lorry dispense into the BP garage just up the road from the same filler (for 3p a litre more)i expect the independents though may buy err competitively priced fuel though ,not have "additives" may drop the price.
i remember a certain large petrol companies "additive" playing havoc with engines ,if you want additives bung some in yourself
i also remember a large retailers petrol doing the same ,theres only 3? petrol refiners so your not going to get much difference


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I'm guessing you haven't read the thread properly & from what little I can decipher from your post you do not seem to have taken on board that any additive is added by the tanker driver during loading the fuel onto the tanker.

With me so far?

The fuel(thats petrol & diesel)as stored in the depot contains no additives. So if the Tesco tanker loads from the BP depot, the fuel the driver delivers to Tescos has no additives.

Still with me?

However When the BP tanker loads from the BP depot, the driver adds the additives during loading. So the fuel that is delivered to BP filling stations does contain additives. I very much doubt(as you appear to claim)if the same tanker delivers to both Tescos & a BP station from the same load but if it does the fuel will be dispensed from different compartments in the tanker.

Tankers have up to 6 compartments or 'pots'

The 'incident' you refer to, involving the contamination of petrol supplied to Tesco & Morrison pumps was caused by a single depot storage tank containing petrol accidently being contaminated with silicone used as an antifoaming agent in diesel.

All clear now? Jolly good.


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24/2/2010 at 12:42pm
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Hi There,

On occassions petrol / gasoline tankered to UK pumps has actually come from Europe having been stored in the UK, not refined here.  It is up to BS  but whether there is a difference in quality would be hard to tell unless it was sampled and analysed.  In fact petrol in storage does (or should have) additives but these are to prevent degredation i.e. oxidation / gums.  As previous post states "secret" additives are added during tanker loading which contain among other components anti-knock additives.  If I remeber correctly back in the '80s Shell had problems with their additives which were allegedly blamed for some engines suffering severe knocking (pinking) which once again allegedly caused preamture valve failure.  Personally I find my Ford diesel powered Motor Home and my wife's diesel Skoda Superb engines run much quieter on Shell, Esso and BP diesel when compared to supermarket Diesels.  Incidentally I am still adding 2-stroke oil even to Shell diesel.

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24/2/2010 at 12:55pm
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I had a Renault Master van (petrol) & every now and again, after filling up, it would run dreadfully. As I was driving all over the country, I would fill up at different stations. It dawned on me one day that it did`nt like Shell, but was fine with every other brand, including supermarkets.  So maybe some engines do prefer some fuels better than others.


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   Well, seeing as, in general, the supermarkets now charge much the same as the fuel companies for their fuel why use them? It used to be that they were 4-5p cheaper than the big brands but now there's little difference, in fact round here Shell is usually cheaper than the three big local supermarkets.

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03/3/2010 at 7:01pm
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I agree let's boycott supermarkets.

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