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28/8/2014 at 2:02pm
Location: Shropshire Outfit: Toyota Granvia (Wellhouse)
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Hi macuser..
One of our previous vans came with a Fiamma rear box, bolted to a cycle rack..and it was very handy, although I only ever put very light stuff in it.(..levelling chocks, ehu lead, bucket, etc)..because if I pushed down on the bike rack rails, even lightly, you could see the back wall of the van flex a fair bit!
I did look into removing the bike rack and replacing them will basic wall brackets:
http://www.fiammastore.com/Fiamma-Storage-Boxes-for-caravan-and-motorhome/Fiamma-Wall-Kit-Box-for-Rear-Ultraboxes
..as they would've shifted the weight some 4-5 inches closer to the wall..but in the end I didn't bother...
But would I go out and pay the 300 quid + for a Fiamma box? Probabaly not,No!
As others have said, for "outdoor stuff", I'd probably look at getting sturdy plastic trunk of sorts..:
http://www.solentplastics.co.uk/marine-storage-products-boxes/water-resistant-boxes-and-trunks/page/2/?keywords=
...and either bolt/strap that to the rack or strap it down inside the van(and then tether it outside the van, when on 'site).
Weight wise, I'd be loading the van in FULL "going away mode"(all kit, clothes, full water and fuel tanks, full gas bottles, food/beer, likely passengers etc ) and then get it weighed at a *local weighbridge(* ours charged me 7 quid) ..and then go from there.....
Remembering to get the individual axle loadings as well as the overall weight, as it's not unusual for coach built MHs to have an overloaded rear axle and do all that before you start hanging a rear box off the back.
Oh!..and "welcome"..
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28/8/2014 at 9:55pm
Location: Cumbria Outfit: Autosleeper Talisman on Talbot Express
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cheers Pepe, you've hit the nail on the head there mentioning that flexing.
The cost of the Fiamma doesn't bother me - it looks like they hold a lot of value on the used marketplace anyway.
I'd put one on the roof but who wants to climb up there twice a day? - just adding to your chances of eventually falling off!
I just don't like the concept due to this flexing, so unless someone (who doesn't have a vested interest in me buying a box from them) satisfactorily explains why my worries are groundless, I think ill look to the alternatives as already suggested.
I had the 'van weighed, and with everything that usually stays in it (pans and & crockery, full gas, full fuel, EH cable,) in it, i still have 520kg payload. I then weighed everything that I took on a recent trip and all of that scarcely radded up to 300kg. In fact, the humans (and dog) were the majority of the added weight. So apart from the issue of MPG decreasing with weight added, I don't think I need to ever worry about being overweight with this vehicle.
Ive read about modern vans having precious little payload due to all the extra bells and whistles fitted these days....
A friend with a very new (2013) van also had his weighed and had only about 350kg to play with. With an extra person (child) and two extra bikes over and above of what I took with me I reckon he would then be very close to his limit, which made me wonder if people with modern vans must often be over their gross weight as a matter of course when they are touring round?
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29/8/2014 at 8:38am
Location: Shropshire Outfit: Toyota Granvia (Wellhouse)
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Quote: Originally posted by macuser on 28/8/2014
I had the 'van weighed, and with everything that usually stays in it (pans and & crockery, full gas, full fuel, EH cable,) in it, i still have 520kg payload. I then weighed everything that I took on a recent trip and all of that scarcely radded up to 300kg. In fact, the humans (and dog) were the majority of the added weight. So apart from the issue of MPG decreasing with weight added, I don't think I need to ever worry about being overweight with this vehicle.
Hi again macuser ..
With that sort of margin, it sounds like you should be okay?..but it isn't just about the vehicle being "overweight", as has been said, it's the axle loadings, more usually the rear , that you need to keep an eye on..and especially with a coach-built with a rear kitchen/rear shower room layout...
If you really want some outdoor storage (for ehu leads, levellers etc), maybe look at the feasibility of a Beenybox?
http://www.beenybox.co.uk/ (..at least then,the weight is kept between the axles, rather than hanging out the back).
..and it does show a couple of images of A/S Talisman(..'mans?..'men?) in their "..previously installed.." section. But of cause, unlike a Fiamma box, once fitted, they'd have to stay with the vehicle when sold...
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30/8/2014 at 9:56pm
Location: Cumbria Outfit: Autosleeper Talisman on Talbot Express
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Thanks again for replies etc.....
Currently on a rare weekend NOT away in the van so I got various of that 'dirty' stuff i've previously mentioned now satisfactorily sorted....
camp chairs are now stowed in the closed loop between the rear wall and the bike carrier. Windbreaks fitted neatly behind the ladder. EH cable and ramps inside a sealed box on the shower tray and plenty space left in it for muddy boots, dirty washing, dog towel etc.
I certainly liked the look of those Beenybox drawers - shame if my 'van can't accept one though - I wouldn't have minded paying a few hundred for such a feature.
Also today, I've made my spare EHU into a semi-permananet fixture by putting 13A plug on one end of it, plugged into a normal wall socket in the shed, then a site type hookup socket on the other end of it and fixing that to the house wall - the remaining length of the spare cable I put the original ends back on so now have a short lead of perfect length for hooking the van up to my new socket when its on the drive, and makes an extension to the 25m EHU, if needed, on a site.
I also replaced one of the roof-vent things which was old , cracked and leaking and the fly screen was torn - can't believe how simple a job that was - been putting it off for weeks!
another Q now - can any explain exactly what this SR8M unit is.........
PHOTO
its in a top locker just under the Solar panel so I presume its to do with that.
The display shows 13.8V, which, as it doest show a lesser figure when its dark and therefore NOT getting any solar charge, I imagine is the state of the leisure batteries ( I have also seen it display a lower figure when I have used lights, pump etc)
But I have no idea what this unit is - is it my battery charger or just a metre showing battery health? Also no idea what the 96 LBN means.
To be honest, the electrics is going to be my stumbling block in this 'van as Im not at all familiar with auto electrics (or any electrics for that matter). Oh, and the engine, i'm not at all familiar with mechanics either. to be honest part of the reason I lingered so long before getting a 'van was 'cos I knew It'd have to be an old one and therefore likely to need more attention/repairs etc than the modern vehicles I'm used to at work etc. But then I figured I would NEVER end up with one so took the plunge...... so far so good.
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31/8/2014 at 4:41pm
Location: Shropshire Outfit: Toyota Granvia (Wellhouse)
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Hi again macuser..
I'm not familiar with your model..but I would suggest getting hold of a copy of this(for general nuts'n'bolts stuff):
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Motorcaravan-Manual-Choosing-Using-Maintaining/dp/0857331248/ref=dp_ob_title_bk
..and join up with the like of here, for more "specific" stuff:
http://www.autosleeper-ownersforum.com/
Re: "Beenyboxes", GRP or not, as I said,it does actually show them fitted to an A/S Talisman on their website.
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