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I would think that current supertankers could be modified to transport fuel, and large areas of useable land in other countries could be used for oilseed production, the revenue from this source could be very lucrative for growers and this would end our reliance on middle east nations for their fossil fuels.

There has to be a better way than going to war over fuel; its insane.

Hairy

talk4, did you get any from Brownhills? I am still waiting for confirmation they are now selling small qty,s. last email from them said not yet.

Are they open on Saturdays?

Cheers

Lyndon

Dont start me on globalisation!

Hi Talk4; The global energy demand sadly will never stop until its totally exhausted, emerging nations such as China and to a lesser degree India are basing thier economic growth on fossil fuel exploitation, just as their mentoring developed nations such as the US and UK/Europe did to take the quick route to expansion, the global economy and hence globalisation demands that a players in the new marketplace have to expand thier infrastructure in a shortest time possible before other nations beat them to the prize i.e market domination, the outcome is inevitable.

The US economy cannot stop expansion even if it wanted to! to stop is to die, this is simple capitilist economics on a global scale.

Hairy Rod

apols for the spelinkg errors in my last post.

Hairy!

hi Lyndon,

Yes got some from Brownhills http://www.greenbiodiesel.com about same price as fossil diesel. They're selling it in 20l containers. Will try contact in Halesowen again tomorrow, looks like being much cheaper.

What a good topic, the first time i looked into bio fuels was in the late 70's.

At last engines might have advanced far enough for bio fuels...

At the moment there are vast farming areas not being used around the world...

Some countries dump large amounts of food crops and sub the farmers...i think the uk has a lot of land spare maybe not enough for uk market, i see so many farms in my area with just horses on them...turned into riding schools.

The only 2 things holding back bio fuels is the oil companies and the gov.....who could loose out on revenue.......

i might try a 20/50 mix on my toyota surf.

A lot run on 9ltrs veg oil bought at supermarket mixed with

1ltr petrol or paraffin to thin it down a bit

Until someone who is a serious engineer (not a friend of a friend of a girl friend's mate) does some well planned research work with data that can be verified and proves that the nasty bits contained in the bio fuel will not do serious damage to the engine I will not entertain using it.

The cost to the pocket and the environment of having to replace the engine far outweighs any possible savings using this very dubious fuel.

Years ago we found did research on the use of methanol as a replacement to petrol. The downside was difficult starting, temperamental usage and serious damage to parts of the engine.

Interesting reading your threads….

By error used Bio Diesel in my new Radipo when in Germany couple of weeks ago. Thought the colour was a bit bright but kept putting it in anyway !!. When driving along the smell was just like a chippie, but it worked, and did not cause any harm. Thought would give it more research when got back.

If you want cheap diesel the best place is Luxemburg, earlier this year was only paying .88cents, about 60p (I know it’s a long way to go, but if you are passing by worth a little detour)

Quote: Originally posted by mc10cc on 31/10/2005

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What a good topic, the first time i looked into bio fuels was in the late 70's.

At last engines might have advanced far enough for bio fuels...<<<

what do you suppose Dr Diesel used in his first engines? He didn't go down to the corner fuel station for a gallon of ...er...diesel.

He used biodiesel, specifically peanut oil.

Again I repeat, there is no problem with diesel engines and bio-fuel. There is a possible problem with rubber piping and seals. These things wear out simply with age no matter what fuel goes through them and are therefore easy to replace.

(Guess what? Some motorists own cars for three, four or five years, or more, and never replace a hose or pipe. No, honestly.)

 

Hi,

While i understand your comment about what "Dr Diesel" used, do you think that biodiesel will be OK in the more modern Common Rail Diesel engines with Cat's fitted,  as it seems these engines are a lot more susptable to the fuel used than the standard mechanical pump arrangments, 

My old Mercedes said i could use a mixuture of petrol with the diesel at certain low tempertures,  my newer one strickly tells me to avoid any petrol being mixed with the diesel ?? any if any does get mixed not to run the engine and get the fuel system cleaned ??

Brian

This may be an option provided that it is used in rural locations.

Can you imagine sitting in a bank holiday traffic jam behind a lot of Bio-diesel run vehicles?

YUCH!!!

Quote: Originally posted by Sparky1958 on 26/12/2005

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This may be an option provided that it is used in rural locations.

Can you imagine sitting in a bank holiday traffic jam behind a lot of Bio-diesel run vehicles?

YUCH!!!

yes please, chip shops for miles,

floppy