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Subject Topic: old Transits dont like being cold HELP!!! Post Reply Post New Topic
10/1/2006 at 12:56am
 Location: swindon
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firstly, im new so Hi every one.

I have an old 1989 transit diesel which refuses to start when it has been freezing cold but it perfectly behaved when it is warmer.  does any one have any ideas why? without costing me a fortune at the garage

 



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10/1/2006 at 1:58am
 Location: Spalding Lincs
 Outfit: Type 190 transit series 3 coachbuilt
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Welcome Bombalurinagirl         

Bombalurinagirl you need the help of Billybun for the answer to this one.

 

I have chatted with Billybun yesterday and he tells me he is having a problem on the net with a family member.

Billybun has had  to involve the police as the abusive mails have also named friends and neighbours .

Bombalurina i will email your question to Billybun sometime tomorrow.

I will post the reply as soon as soon as Billybun replies to my mail.

regards Marys Bloke

 



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10/1/2006 at 6:36am
 Location: Doncaster
 Outfit: tent
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Is it a ford by any chance? Fords are renowned for not being happy about starting (i had a fiesta and she was fine but then when she got down the rd decided that she didnt want to go any further and cut out on me). I'd say spray the plugs with WD40 but with it being a diesal they dont have plugs do they? best waiting for billybuns reply i think but then again u could ring a local garage who u trust and ask them the best thing im sure if theyre good enough they will advise accordingly i know ours would and without charge. Good luck


10/1/2006 at 10:11pm
 Location: Isle of wight
 Outfit: Ford Transit CI 2.5 diesel
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From what I`ve read, the Mk3`s can be a pig to start on cold mornings.
Best advice I found was, always start the engine with the clutch and accelerator pedals hard to the floor.
This doesn`t apply to computer controlled diesels.
I believe this model has two batteries...for starting.
These need to be in good condition, as does the associated connections, to starter motor, etc.

The reason for depressing the clutch, is to isolate the gearbox (oil). On freezing days there is a lot of resistance, due to it being thick(er).


11/1/2006 at 12:19am
 Location: Yeadon Leeds!
 Outfit: Swift Challenger & Defender 110SW
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not familiar with the campers, but with deisels in general, check the battery(s) are in good nick and fully charged, check the glow plugs, to do this, remove the link wire/strap, use a stout bit of cable from the =ve side of the battery, and carefully tough the end, you chould get a nice pop/spark, if not its dead, one glow plug out can make a big differance.
Try a bit of unleaded in the tank, i had an old 1991 astra deisel, in winter 3-4 liters of unleaded (in a fullish tank) thinned the deisel enough to make starting eaisier.


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11/1/2006 at 2:02am
 Location: Sunny Cheshire
 Outfit: Bessacarr E765p
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Hi and welcolme.

good advice the two posts from above and I wouold go with the following

May I suggest the following. By saying not starting I suggest you mean that the van turns over but just wont catch?

This would lead me to believe that you need DECENT new heater plugs. This is what happens. I am also asuming that when you say its cold you are talking about your van and not the weather?  If it is the latter then this is because turn on the key. and await for diesel light to go off. This then effectively means your plugs are hot enough to explode the fuel. however poor quality or well used heater plugs will lead to the turning over of the engine, putting in pleny of fuel, but with no igniting taking place. Alas when the van has started, the heater plugs now have warmth enough to continue starting throughout the day.

so my advice would be start at the heater plugs and work backwards, as a new set of heater plugs are always recomended to ensure the good running of a diesel.

However this has been written in laymans terms and the thing to remember with a diesel is they are a really simple engine, especialy around that age. All you need to run them are are a heater plug and a bit of fuel (not always even diesel chip fat works wonders) and bobs ya uncle.

If it is the cold weather preventing your van starting then I would still reccomend heater plugs. failing that check that ya plugs are sealed properly as they may be getting damp.

 



11/1/2006 at 10:07am
 Location: Essex
 Outfit: Autoquest 400 motorhome
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As mentioned above, it may be your glow plugs but before you go to the expense of getting them changed try the following.

When cranking the engine from cold, is there any white/grey smoke from the exhaust? If there is then fuel is being injected but not igniting, then you should be looking at a pre-heating problem such as glow plugs, glow plug relay, or a loss of cylinder compression.

It could be something as simple as water in the fuel filter. When was the last time you had it drained? It should be done as part of the service every year.

I don’t know what the resistance reading should be for your vans glow plugs, but each plug should draw about 20 amps (when the ignition is turned on and the yellow light is on).

Without wishing or trying to teach you to suck eggs, diesel ignites under compression NOT from a spark as in a petrol engine. The glow plugs are only there to heat up the air in the cylinder before the fuel is pumped in.

Hope this helps

 

Tom B  

 



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11/1/2006 at 11:59pm
 Location: Rotherham
 Outfit: Swift Kon-Tiki 640 6 and MK1 Transit
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wont be glow plugs 89 Di's dont have em!!

check battery and connections especially leads to the starter motor!

most engines are harder to start in the cold weather especally big diesels - how many seconds does it take to start in the summer?



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12/1/2006 at 5:21pm
 Location: Sunny Cheshire
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wont be glow plugs 89 Di's dont have em!!?????????????????????????????????????????????

Ok so I aint familiar with these, so what do they have if they have no glow plugs???

surely they must have?

 



12/1/2006 at 5:56pm
 Location: Isle of wight
 Outfit: Ford Transit CI 2.5 diesel
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Glow-plugs on diesel Transits ended in 1986.
Some later versions were fitted with a `flame-plug`, export models to colder climates.

They don`t need glow-plugs because the engines are higher compression, and the fuel delivery system was improved.

What they do need is, sufficient battery power to crank the engine at 300 rpm. [and good compression].

It must be also remembered that battery performance declines at freezing temperatures.


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12/1/2006 at 9:11pm
 Location: Rotherham
 Outfit: Swift Kon-Tiki 640 6 and MK1 Transit
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panagah mate - the earlier ones (yorks) did - and needed em!! and the later ones(duratecs) do but the Di's dont most people look at them with the stanadyne injectors and presume one bit is the injector and the other is the glowplug but its all one piece - the injector!!

if the engine and pump is ok a decent battery shoudn't have a problem starting it in anything the british weather can throw at it!!!



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