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01/7/2006 at 10:24pm
 Location: Donegal Ireland
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Hi folks,
*Warning* Long post !!

I've decided to start looking at changing from a folding camper to a motorhome.
I've been trawling the net for reviews & advice, etc and am still a bit lost.

We are 2 adults & small kids (3 & 5). In my mind, I *think* I'm looking for a coachbuilt (dethelffs or Hobby), but I could be swayed by an A-class integrated style.

Here are my stumbling blocks:

1. I like the idea of a rear permanent double bed. Do this mean I'm stuck with the longer vans... 6.5 mtrs & up ?
Is there much difference in driving a 6.2 metre or a 6.8 metre ? I'm pretty competent behind the wheel, but I don't want to end up with a great motorhome thats just too awkward to use frequently.

2. RHD or LHD ?
I see its very easy to import from germany / belgium/ france, etc, but since they'd have to be over 6 months old I assume they will all be LHD. Is this a big thing, or is it just a case of getting used to it ?
We would plan on spending 2/3 weeks in Europe on holidays, but the rest of the time the use would be in Ireland & UK.

3. Import or not ?
What is the catch with importing from Europe (to Ireland).
I assume there must be some catch, as the price difference seems to be very big. (10K Euro or more). Is there a problem with warranty work being done in a different country ? Will the local dealer spit on me if I go to get some servicing/repair work done on an imported van ?

4. A-Class or Coachbuilt ?
I admit to liking the shape & style of the A-class, but any pricing I've seen is a lot more expensive than the coachbuilt types. Is it worth the extra money, or is it simply a "posh" thing to have an a-class ?

5. Shows ?
We're thinking of going to the NEC show in October .. I'm assuming it will be worth the trip form Ireland, as we went to the Earls Court show and were amazed at the size of it.
Any other shows worth going over to ?

Sorry for the long post .. better to ask it all now than in dribs & drabs.

Thanks,
Declan


01/7/2006 at 10:48pm
 Location: Kent
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Newbie buying advice please

 No need to pay for advice on this site there is always lots of free advise to be had. !!!77



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01/7/2006 at 11:08pm
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I'm not sure of the dealers in Ireland, but if you have a large dealer near you it's well worth a visit. Not necessarily to buy from, but to clamber in and out of various vans to check layouts etc. That way you get a good idea of what will suit you best.

If you haven't found anything by October, I'd say the NEC is well worth a visit. You've got everything under one roof.



02/7/2006 at 2:41pm
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Hi Declan,

1) You probably would be 'stuck' with a longer van if you opted for a fixed rear bed model, however, one extra metre in length really won't make that much difference. You would have to give a little extra consideration to negotiating junctions to avoid mounting the kerb with your rear wheels but even lorry drivers have to negotiate country lanes and regularly do so without a problem.

2) LHD or RHD?, this is a common question and there's no right or wrong answer. I drive a LHD coachbuilt and have no problems with it. It is just a matter of getting used to it and I did so within about fifty miles or so... after a couple of hundred miles it felt perfectly natural!

3) Mine is an import, though I did not import it myself. I will most definately import the next one, it will be a long weekend away and a considerable money saving venture at the same time. If you have the confidence to do it then import for sure.

4) The whole A-class thing is another issue with no right or wrong answer. The main differences to consider are:- with an A-class you would have an over-cab drop down bed, so you wouldn't need a fixed rear bed. With a coachbuilt you would have an over-cab bed which is far from convenient for adults due to the lack of headroom.
With an A-class you can usually swivel both driver & passenger seats around to create extra living/seating space, unlike most coachbuilts.
With an A-class you get a more spacious/comfortable cab area and less wind drag when driving due to the smooth front profile, this could lead to better fuel economy.
With an A-class you get a much higher initial price tag!
So you see there's much more to it than status and snobbery. If you can afford it then an A-class is most likely the better option due to the additional benefits they offer, plus you could have a shorter model (no fixed rear bed required).

5) Shows. I Cannot comment on this due to never having visited one.

Here's a couple of sites which may be of interest to you...

http://www.ukmotorhomes.net/germany.shtml

http://www.reisemobil-international.de/markt/

Good luck with your future purchase.


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02/7/2006 at 3:47pm
 Location: Bingley West Yorkshire
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Hello mate,

Try caravantrader.co.uk might help you.

 

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02/7/2006 at 8:18pm
 Location: Norfolk Suffolk border
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Hi Declan

Only 6 months into motorhoming ourselves

One thing I would advise though it to seriously consider a UK HM if your children are young as the door opens on the left (kerb side) where as Continental models open on the roadside, ours is around 7 metres long and is no trouble

Also if you are buying new or nearly new you may have to go backthe original place of sale for comform with the warranty conditions (and to validate the extended warranty

We bought an 8 month old MH last year, and ended up with a 4hr eachway trip to get some warranty work done.  Then found they did not have the parts all available, and we could not stay over more than one night.  They sent us the part and told us to get them fitted else where, we are now having trouble getting anyone to do it as the work was raised by another company

And yes folks for those of you who have had dealings with them its LAZY DAYS at MARKET DRAYTON

Hope this helps Declan

Angie

Suffolk

 



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03/7/2006 at 9:24am
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at Sidick
You've lost me here ... are you referring to mhf forum where you have to subscribe at a tenner or so ?

at sixwheels
Good to know about the LHD thing.. I suspected it would be easy to get used to.
Yes, I would be confident with importing .. just tose nagging questions about maintenance/warrnaty work, etc.
Are used values of A-class equally high ?
Is there more headroom over the front drop-down bed in an A-class compared to a german coachbuilt ?

at Angela
Good points to consider.
I've seen some RHD models with the door on driver's side as well, but hadn't thought about that being roadside.


Is there are legal thing about where to get the warranty work done, or is it just made up by the dealer(s) ?

Thanks folks, appreciate the pointers.

Post last edited on 03/07/2006 09:34:31

Post last edited on 03/07/2006 09:35:36


03/7/2006 at 2:20pm
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Sidick was referring to UKCS, this site.  Whatever your question there's generally someone who can give you a pointer in the right direction.  Plus it's free!!


03/7/2006 at 9:42pm
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Hi declang

Dont think there is a legal thing re warranty, but Ci/Autotrail do insist 1st year is done at original dealer

Also we have found that dealers do not want to do warranty work or habitation checks unless you bought from them

I have rung about 6 dealers and they wont do it

So I think the moral of the story is buy close to home

Having a trip to Dublin in Sept, no husbands, no children, just me, 2 daughters, 2 future daughters in law and a friend thought that was a small reward for letting the men have 3 weeks in France in MH) Dublin beware

Angie

Suffolk



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03/7/2006 at 10:58pm
 Location: Wiltshire
 Outfit: Auto Trail Cheyenne 632
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Hi Declan,

We have 3 motorhomes over the past few years and currently have an Autotrail Cheyenne 632, 5 berth which has a fixed rear double bed, a double over cab bed and also a single if you pull out the 2 sofas, it has a swivel passenger seat and more importantly for us it is only 6.48 metres long (21'3"). Our driveway is limited lengthways and widthways. I do most of the driving as hubby has bad back and gets uncomfy driving long distances and this is a breeze to drive, so far we have been away for 2 out of the 3 weekends we have had it.

We picked it up 3 weeks ago after lots of looking around with our "shopping list".

Our must haves decided on over the years were, a fixed rear bed, over cab bed, pavement opening side door (kids and dogs), enough storage internal and external, good sized fridge, an oven (our son has dietry requirements and you will be surprised how many newer type 'vans have very poor cooking facilities)

A short enough list but it took a lot of looking to find the one we have now.

The type of van you get will also depend on what kind of camping you want to do, microwaves, electric hotplates and/or ovens and large fridge freezers are all great if you are going to be using sites with hook ups, but hopeless if you plan to wild camp.

Also with small children you will want front facing seats with seatbelts and a little bit of floor space for them and you to move about while inside.

We did look at some of the pilote "A" class vans and there was 1 that was the right length but only 2 ring burner and small grill no oven and huger fridge freezer. We also found that the "A" class 'vans tend to be wider than the coach builts, again not suitable to get onto our drive.

We had to keep in mind storage of our motorhome as well as how we use it. While "shopping/looking" we went to shows, dealers and scoured the 'for sale' ads looking at all the availible types until we were almost brain boggled.

Keep a sense of humour when looking and have fun exploring as many 'vans as you can to get the best idea.

Happy Shopping

 

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03/7/2006 at 11:53pm
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OK,
Great points and things to remember so far... Thank you all.


keep 'em coming folks :)



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