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Quote: Originally posted by Mike3003 on 05/10/2018
OK, thank you for your time and effort.
But where have I, in your words, condemned people for paying money for cross breed dogs?
Just post my quote where I said that, that’s all I am asking.
mike, stop trying to split hairs. it has been laid out for you on a number of occasions. you know what you have done and trying to pick one word from a whole 13 page thread is a bit desperate.
even lidds commented on it.
Quote: Originally posted by lidds0 on 04/10/2018
I don't hold with people who breed dogs - of any breed - in poor conditions or without regard for health and welfare. But, Neither do I understand anyone who feels the need to make derisory comments about other people's choice of dog. Especially, as has been pointed out, when one has actually paid money themselves for a crossbreed/mongrel/'designer dog' (i.e. designed to carry the traits - whether in looks or temperament - of two or more different breeds. The sum paid is irrelevant, since expense is a subjective thing.
derisory.
see that word
derisory.
so mike, ill go back to your original request and put the humble pie in the microwave.
your request.
Quote: Originally posted by Mike3003 on 05/10/2018
No, because NOWHERE AT ALL did I criticise or comment on people paying money for crossbreed dogs. If I have, please put the quote up and I will, without delay, apologise and withdraw that statement.
see the word comment mike. COMMENT. got that?
defenition of a crossbreed dog.
Crossbreed dogs or designer dogs are dogs which have been intentionally bred from two or more recognized dog breeds and not from dogs with no purebred ancestors, but have not been artificially bred to each other enough to breed true and be recognized as a breed in their own right.
thats from your favorite website. thats not your opinion, thats an accepted definition of a crossbreed.
so, now.
are you ready?
Quote: Originally posted by Mike3003 on 09/9/2018
A friend of a friend was recently prancing around with her new Cockapoo, proudly telling us that she paid £600, yes, £600 for said Mongrel, Labradoodles are also fetching similar prices.
a cockapoo is a cross breed between a cocker and a poodle, both recognised breeds. both with purebred ancestry.
a labradoodle is a cross between a labrador and a poodle. both recognised breeds. both with purebred ancestry.
so right there mike.
right there, as per your request you have commented on people paying for cross bred dogs.
right in that first post mike.
no twisting, no lying, no trying to muddy waters.
you asked for an example of where you had commented on people buying crossbred dogs for money.
Quote: Originally posted by Mike3003 on 09/9/2018
A friend of a friend was recently prancing around with her new Cockapoo, proudly telling us that she paid £600, yes, £600 for said Mongrel, Labradoodles are also fetching similar prices.
right there.
just like i have been telling you for 13 pages.
oh, hang on , the microwave went ding!
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mike, your reply says more about you than anything.
you said this.
Quote: Originally posted by Mike3003 on 05/10/2018
No, because NOWHERE AT ALL did I criticise or comment on people paying money for crossbreed dogs. If I have, please put the quote up and I will, without delay, apologise and withdraw that statement.
so, i will now, without leaving you room to wriggle out of this, do exactly what you have asked me to do in this post.
i will then expect you to do what you have said you would do.
that mike, is reasonable.
you said
Quote: Originally posted by Mike3003 on 05/10/2018
No, because NOWHERE AT ALL did I criticise or comment on people paying money for crossbreed dogs. If I have, please put the quote up and I will, without delay, apologise and withdraw that statement.
so, criticise OR comment.
to define the word or
or
used to link alternatives.
"a cup of tea or coffee"
meaning one OR the other.
here is the explanation of the word OR
Where a verb follows a list separated by or, the traditional rule is that the verb should be singular, as long as the things in the list are individually singular, as in a sandwich or other snack is included in the price (rather than a sandwich or other snack are included in the price). The argument is that each of the elements agrees separately with the verb. The opposite rule applies when the elements are joined by and: here, the verb should be plural: a sandwich and a cup of coffee are included in the price. These traditional rules are observed in good English writing style but are often disregarded in speech.
so in other words, YOUR post is requesting that i show you EITHER.. where you crisicised people who paid money for crossbreed dogs,
OR
where you have commented on people that have paid money for cross breed dogs.
here is that example
Quote: Originally posted by Mike3003 on 09/9/2018
A friend of a friend was recently prancing around with her new Cockapoo, proudly telling us that she paid £600, yes, £600 for said Mongrel, Labradoodles are also fetching similar prices.
so mike, i have complied with your request, and i now expect you to do as you promised.
there is no wriggle room, i have put no words in your mouth, i have only quoted the exact things that you yourself have said, and therefore i have complied with your wishes.
there will be no more "you said this"
"you said that"
"show me this"
"i dont understand"
"any other such crap that you can think of to avoid the fact that you have just successfully destroyed your own initial post"
you asked for proof of comment
i have provided such
you said on provision of said factual proof
Quote: Originally posted by Mike3003 on 05/10/2018
I will, without delay, apologise and withdraw that statement.
your turn mike.
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APOLOGY.
QUOTE]Originally posted by Mike3003 on 09/9/2018
Sorry if I find this not only very funny, but I am somewhat mystified as to why people pay so much money for dogs that are Mongrels.
A friend of a friend was recently prancing around with her new Cockapoo, proudly telling us that she paid £600, yes, £600 for said Mongrel, Labradoodles are also fetching similar prices.
I have been accused of “condemning people for paying for Cross Bred dogs” with the above opening post.
I would like to give my most sincere apology to anyone who thought I was condemning people for paying money for Cross Bred dogs, that was most certainly not my intention.
I must confess that I cannot see how my post does this, but we all interpret things differently, and perhaps it was badly written........Although I did get a CSE in English in 1974,
So if you interpreted the above as condemning people for paying for Cross bred dogs, then please accept my apology, it was not meant to sound like that at all.
Thank you.
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now mike, this may shock you.
i completely agree that breeders are inflating their prices to meet the demand for what some class as "designer" dogs, or designer crossbreeds. but that is human nature mike. where there is increased demand, we, as opportunistic humans will try to exploit that demand to its fullest extent. i also agree that some of these crossbreeds are being bred purely for money, without thought to the outcome. but then thats nothing new. look at the poor bulldog. selectively bred until its almost suffocating itsself and already half way along the heart attack curve..
however, look at the cockerpoo. whoever thought that one up is a genius. two fantastic dogs bred to make an a dog with the behavior of a cocker, and no bloody hairs all over my uniform. the moment someone can give me a sprocker that doesnt shed im all in for that. (is that a sprockerdoodle?)
again, a labradoodle. bloody genius if you ask me. a labrador that doesnt put hairs in your picnic. ace.
60 years ago, there wasnt an intentional breed available called the sprocker. but we both own one and we both agree that now, 60 years down the line they are brilliant dogs.
same with the others mike, they may turn out to be brilliant dogs. but i wonder back then if there was a grumpy git moaning about sprockers down the pub?
now, the kennel club hitler division. i absolutely detest these people with a vengeance mike. i honestly believe that these people have ruined more dogs than anything. their breed standard rules encourage the breeding of dogs that not fit for any other purpose than standing in a ring.
take the german shepherd as an example. as its a cross breed (bet that surprised you) the early breeders bred them from the traditional 3 breeds to make a dog that was straight backed amongst other things.
the german shepherd show dogs that you see now have been bred for very sloping backs. this is not natural and it has been proven that the dogs suffer. the KC only changed its stance when the BBC exposed the practice and has now decided that any dogs showing this trait will be penalised.
so mike. my views on dogs and breeders dont differ that much to you own, apart from one major point. i would never make derisory comments about what anyone else chooses to pay for their dog, or what they choose to call it. after all mike, we both own sprockers, a designer cross breed. you paid for yours, good on you. mine was rescued, didnt cost me a penny. good on me. janet paid £600 for a dog that she obviously wanted. good on her.
love the dogs, thats all that matters mike.
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Sorry gedsjeep, it still mystifies me why anyone would pay £600 for a Mongrel with a funny made up name. If that is a derisory comment, then so be it, genuinely sorry, but that is how I feel and think. We will just continue to disagree with that.
To be absolutely honest, I wouldn’t pay £600 for any dog, but that is my choice. I often see Springers for sale with full KC Pedigree, numerous FTC in the line etc, etc, for £800! Not happening. I look at both parents, try to see them working and take it from there, not interested in a KC Pedigree in the slightest, it means nothing.
I know quite a few Gundog handlers that send their dogs away for training, I think it is around £400. They then come back to their owner “trained” for them to be ruined by said owner in weeks. I find that mystifying, it is the owner that should be sent away, not the dog.
It mystifies me to see a car being towed by a Motorhome! To some people that may seem derisory, but it still mystifies me.
But yes, we do share, exactly, the same thoughts on the KC. Can’t argue with that.
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Quote: Originally posted by Mike3003 on 09/9/2018
Sorry if I find this not only very funny, but I am somewhat mystified as to why people pay so much money for dogs that are Mongrels.
... But it is certainly the fashion to cross dogs, come up with catchy names and sell them for ridiculous money to people with more money than sense.
There is no such thing as a Bullador! ...........It’s a mongrel.
What a load of Bullshihtzu. 😀👍
There you go; the quote you're requesting is in the initial post, where you stated anyone who bought a dog with a mixed-breed name has 'more money than sense'. That's a case of taking the moral high-ground, isn't it?
It's all got a bit heated and personal since, which is a shame.
We did actually recoil a bit at the asking price of our crossbreed pup, and commented on it at the time. Thing was, we were at a point where we really wanted a pup, the litter was just in the next village, the breeder was known to the local vet and we made that fatal mistake of going 'just to look'. The one available pup made a beeline for me and somehow the financial aspect then became secondary. She has actually proved to be a marvellous dog, in every respect.
I do think though, stepping back from it, that too many unscrupulous breeders have jumped on the Doodle gravy train. As has been said, demand dictates supply and I've seen pups like our girl advertised at £1200 and upwards. No wonder people do it! It's unregulated though, since there's no paper trail of how many litters a bitch has, unlike KC registered bitches who can have a maximum of 4 litters registered in a lifetime. Some breeders try their best to do things right, others don't (the same as with all breeds of dog).
MIke asked why people will pay so much for a crossbreed. I honestly think its because of promised attributes (in our girl's case, coat and intelligence). I can tell you that, in all honesty, when I saw the ad for this litter I commented that the price was "Bl***y ridiculous", than looked closely at the photos and had to add "Those pups are gorgeous though". The rest, as they say, is history. Would I have travelled a long way to view and buy? Who knows. They were in the right place at the right time so I overlooked the price tag.
I think it's not so much about puppy buyers having 'more money than sense' but about breeders exploiting a lucrative market. Like I said, our girl was the last available in the litter. If someone wants something badly enough, they'll try and find a way.
I read recently that, in Sweden, dog breeding is hugely limited because breeders are responsible for any vets fees (barring inoculations, I presume) for the first three years of a dog's life. Now, that'd sort out the breeders who are only in it to make a financial killing!
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