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I am stunned at just what awful situations some of you live with. Nobody, but nobody, should feel threatened in their own home.

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In fighting this issue I have to say that the law is not very much on your side. In reality no legislation has been provided which enables you to take action. There have been many initiatives, guidance, protocols etc for dealing with these problems but nothing sufficiently underpinned by legislation that an aggrieved party can point to and say” It says here you must do this - so do it”.

A Housing Association, well any landlord, does not, generally, have any liability towards neighbours for the nuisance created by their tenants. Nor do they have a duty of care towards the neighbours. In many another walk of life a “nuisance” or “breach of duty” gives rise to a cause of action that can be brought before a court. It doesn’t work where any action is needed to be taken against a landlord because of their tenants.

Thus, to bring any action to try and remedy the problem you have to come at from an angle which may not appear that obvious. In addition to the options I mentioned above

 1.     If you bought your house from the Local Authority and they then sold the adjoining property to the Housing Association, or you bought from the housing Association, perhaps some covenants in the conveyance of the house to you can be enforced against the Housing Association. This would be an action for breach of contract. I am thinking here about, say, a covenant prohibiting nuisances or annoyance to neighbours. Whilst you may have signed up to such a covenant for the benefit of your neighbours, they are sometimes reciprocal so that they also bind the Association. If your conveyance deed does have a useful clause it may mean an action in court to enforce it and that takes time.

2.     If the Housing Association is failing to implement its policy this could create a potential complaint against that Association. So, once you find out what the policy says the association will do to prevent anti-social behaviour, you need to write and point out the relevant provision in the policy and ask what action they propose to take. If you are not satisfied with their response you could run the issue through all stages of their complaints procedures, so you need a copy of that policy. If you are not satisfied that they have acted in accordance with their policy you can take your complaint on to the Housing Ombudsman. Again a rather long winded route.

3.     The tenant may have been granted a “starter tenancy” for the first 12 months of occupancy and then a more permanent tenancy is granted if they have behaved. If there is a starter tenancy still subsisting you could ask the Housing Association not to make it permanent in view of the activity at the property. The Housing Association does not have to listen you. Find out who the trustees of the Association are and lobby them.

4.     If the tenant is the pregnant girlfriend then the problem is caused by a visitor. Should she be held to account for his actions?  The 2003 Anti-social Behaviour Act ( Sections 14 and 15) may assist.  These give the Housing Association a power to apply for a ‘demotion order’ where tenants or other residents of a dwelling, or visitors to a tenant’s home, have behaved in a way which is capable of causing nuisance or annoyance. Such an order ends the current tenancy and replaces it with a less secure tenancy for at least a year. This just makes it easier to evict the tenant if the problem recurs in that year. This action is at the discretion of the Housing Association – you can’t make them do it.

5.     The Housing Association could apply for an anti-social behaviour injunction against the individual to prevent him from visiting the area. These can be expensive and take time to obtain and it is purely within the discretion of the Housing Association whether it applies for one.

6.     I did mention a possession order. The Housing Act 1985 gives a Housing Association an ability to obtain a possession order. Ground 2 is the ground for possession to quote for evicting a tenant or any person residing in the house who has been guilty of conduct which is, or is likely to cause a nuisance or annoyance to a person engaged in lawful activity in the area.  So, if this lad is convicted by a court as a result of the incident you described you are half way there to asking the Association that it exercises its rights under ground 2. Again, though, it is for the Housing association to decide to take that action - it cannot be forced to.

7.     The Government is proposing some new powers and faster track powers for dealing with anti- social behaviour. However, it is taking time.

So, a number of options to bear in mind once you have gathered your facts. Broadly you need to work with the Association, constructively, however long it takes. Get all the neighbours together as there can be strength in numbers

 

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Thank you all, especially Phil for your support.

We've just heard that he has been remanded in custody, so at least we don't have to worry about him for a few weeks!

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05/2/2013 at 3:25pm
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Might be interesting if you can post up any relevant parts of their anti social policy once you get it

 

Phil



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Quote: Originally posted by Gailk on 05/2/2013Thank you all, especially Phil for your support.

We've just heard that he has been remanded in custody, so at least we don't have to worry about him for a few weeks!



If he has been remanded in custody without bail the prosecution must deem this to be a serious offence. As stated if his suspended sentence is still in force and for a similar offence it's highly likely he will now face a custodial sentence. Also it's very likely that he will be held in custody until the trial.


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If he has pleaded guilty will there be a trial?
Sorry i'm really not up on stuff like this!

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Quote: Originally posted by Gailk on 05/2/2013
If he has pleaded guilty will there be a trial?
Sorry i'm really not up on stuff like this!



i am not sure if their will be a trial i think it skips to the pre sentence report hearing then the sentencing. But if he already had suspended against him the pre sentence report Might not be needed. It might just stay in magistrates.

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05/2/2013 at 11:16pm
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You have a trial and he pleads gulity before the court

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if you are really dissatisfied with the Housing associations response to your issues, sometimes it's worth putting a formal complaint about the housing associations response, in writing and asking them to let you know when you can expect their formal response to your complaint. It sometimes makes them more careful to take your issues seriously. Mention in your complaint that you are aware that if you are not satisfied with their response you will check if it can be referred to the ombudsman.   

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Thank you all for your advice and support, an update!

We've had a meeting with the Housing Association Officer. The guy is in prison and has a trial set for a few weeks time, where they have been advised he will plead guilty. As he is on a suspended sentence this should be invoked.

They have looked at getting an injunction, to stop him coming into the village, but have been advised to hold off doing this, as it is currently not needed. as he is locked up. They hope that when he is released his parole\bail at at that time will ban him from the village, but if not they will look again at an injunction.

His girlfriend is pressing charges, along with our neighbour who got assaulted.

We're quite happy with how things stand at the minute, and just hope he's sentenced accordingly.


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Sounds very encouraging especially as the Housing Association have actually taken advice about securing an injunction. It helps when they are singing from your Hymn sheet.

 

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Thanks Phil - they've certainly changed their tune since my original conversations with them. The Housing Officer did mention that they had taken advice from the Police about the safety of its tenants. Really hoping this is an end to it.

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Fingers crossed for you.

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Finger crossed that it will work out for you. Then a nightmare of a neighbour is gone completely, never to return.

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I hope it all works out well for you Gail.  Is it BHA?

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Quote: Originally posted by Bernie47 on 13/2/2013
I hope it all works out well for you Gail.  Is it BHA?


Thanks All.

No Bernie - I'm other side of Border, so the "other" one.




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