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20/8/2013 at 4:52pm
 Location: Rochdale
 Outfit: Hymer Nova 470 Mondeo titanium 140tdc
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Get yourself a tourer and you have the choice of either a seasonal pitch or pulling it to where you want to be each time. That way you get away from all the contracts.


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For a licence dated 1997 or later you must add together the plated max weight of the caravan and trailer, if the total is 3500 or less you can tow it. You may even tow a caravan with a MAM greater than the cars unladen mass the restriction was removed in 2013

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20/8/2013 at 10:15pm
 Location: Woking Surrey
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We toured for nearly 25 years not for us any more too many restrictions with the dogs and very expensive to store a van almost as expensive as the static. Had campervans too, even built our own, had a couple of tents. Not up to the hard work of it all these days. So we are having a cottage in September and looking at one for next year too. Think that may be the best for us now.


20/8/2013 at 11:57pm
 Location: Kent
 Outfit: 5m Bell Tent & Olpro Pop Tent.
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If the van is still in your name. Can you let the new owners use it as your guests until you get it sorted. I know its not the answer but at least they can get some use out of it while this problem continues.


21/8/2013 at 8:43am
 Location: Woking Surrey
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In our name ? we never had anything other than a receipt for cash when we initially bought it. We paid £1200 for it £200 for the van and the rest was the ground rent for the year.



21/8/2013 at 8:49am
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Sounds extremely dodgy to me, very badly run. Hope you can resolve it. We have gone back to cottage holidays this year, we had a week in a friend's cottage in April and are going back in a couple of weeks and a week in Sandymouth, north Cornwall.

Thoroughly enjoyed it and best decision we have ever made. Tons of space, warm and dry with all facilities and gardens at both for the dog. We test drove our friend's cottage feeding back any teething problems and can't wait to be there again despite the fact it is just 25 miles from home!!

Ali


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21/8/2013 at 10:35am
 Location: Woking Surrey
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Badly run doesn't cover it LOL the main reasons we decided to get out were how badly run down the site is, the drugs raid last summer put it all in perspective for us, people living in vans all year (it's an 8 month site), washing machines allowed so those of us at the back of the site rarely get any water it's all being used by the permanent residents and just trickles out of our taps. Grass gets cut every 6 weeks or so, vans vandalised and left on a "rubbish" dump at the side of the site, hole in ground covered by a board with a cone on it been there at least 4 years, no one cares. Having no rules sounds great but dogs running off lead when you keep yours on leads is not ideal, man with a propensity to flash in the evenings next door to us, owner just thinks he is funny, but not what you want to see when you are cooking your evening meal - he must be 70 if he is a day and never washes !

All in all not an experience we want to repeat.


21/8/2013 at 10:53am
 Location: wirral
 Outfit: Outwell Nevada m Vango sigma 300
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They may ask you for money. But There isn't anything anywhere to say they are entitled legally to ask/demand, for monies.

If it is not in black and white and legally binding and signed document, then they are not legally entitled to ask.

You are not legally obliged to give monies. I am not an expert, Phil is.    All I now is that, there should be a contract and signed, which means that you agreed to terms and conditions if there has been a transaction.

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21/8/2013 at 1:35pm
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Sounds hideous but equally for what you paid you must surely have had an idea all was not well there? Most sites are hugely more expensive.

Ali


21/8/2013 at 2:08pm
 Location: Woking Surrey
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Oh we knew it was cheap and put up with it because it was cheap. Wouldn't be moaning now if they were not trying to get more money out of us. We felt until then we got what we paid for (possibly not the floor show) and just chalked it up as an experience we didn't want to carry on with.

If you look at our posting history you will see we were willing to work on the van (and did) making it look better, garden was lovely and we had some nice times.

We as I said got what we paid for but it was in the time we were there going even further down hill, quite dangerous with some of the goings on. But again wouldn't be moaning if they were playing fair, but I don't think they are playing fair at all. We now know the people we sold to have also been asked for £500 so not just us being asked for this fee.


21/8/2013 at 2:10pm
 Location: Keswick
 Outfit: Bailey
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It is not unusal for site owners to have a commission or some similar arrangement when a van is sold. It is not unusual for a charge to be levied when a new occupier takes over a plot on a site.

Interesting how threads develop. We started off with no contract with the site owner. Later it appears that the use of the site owners land had been continuous for a number of years so there must be a contract for the use of the land.

Later there was a ground rent to pay and so there is an acknowledgement, again, that there was a contract beween the OP and the site owner and which had, as a condition, a need to pay ground rent. If there was no contract how did the OP know to pay rent and just how much was required?

So, it has been established that there was a contract between the OP and the site owner. What then needs to be considered are the terms of that contract. They may not have been written down but perhaps they are on a notice board and which was drawn to the attention of the OP. Who knows.

It is not uncommon for people to be so happy to have got a pitch that they don't look into the Ts and Cs.

If the site owner cannot provide a copy of the contract Ts and Cs the site owner is going to have some difficulty in enforcing payment. If they can produce Ts and Cs then we need to consider where they came from, did the OP know of them, were they ever drawn to the OPs attention etc. If it can be established that the OP is actually bound by the Ts and Cs then we need to consider whether the claim is justified or does it fall foul of any consumer legislation e.g the Unfair Terms In Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999.

So, if the OP hears from the site owner there are a number of questions to be answered in order to clarify the OPs position.

 

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22/8/2013 at 10:29am
 Location: Woking Surrey
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We knew how much ground rent to pay because she would knock the caravan door once a year and say the rent due and hold out her hand. Cheque written and handed over, does that mean we have a contract to pay them when we leave the site ? Yes we were there 4 years never had any paper work in all that time, rarely spoke to the owner usually only to order more gas or pay the electric bill which she would send to our home, a hand written paper just listing units used and standing charge.



22/8/2013 at 12:43pm
 Location: Keswick
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The issue here is that you did have a contract. To argue with the owner that you don't have a contract is thw wrong approach. What matters is what the terms and conditions are - that the owner can proove were incorporated into yuor contract. So, wait and see what, if anything, the owner comes up with and then consider your position.

If, after, what, four weeks, the owner has come up woith nothing then perhaps a simple letter along the lines of .........

"Further to my request for sight of the alleged terms and conditions of contract which oblige me to pay the requested sum of £500, as you have failed, in four weeks, to evidence the existence of such terms, then I consider the matter closed."

 

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23/8/2013 at 1:51pm
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Ah I see I was speaking of a written contract which we never had.


01/9/2013 at 8:43pm
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Well seems some lies are being told, they informed us they had banned the buyer of our van from site until we paid up, but when we spoke to the people to offer them their money back if they are unhappy we were informed they love the van and are enjoying living in it and have negotiated to stay over the winter too.

No reply from the site owner about any contract.



01/9/2013 at 10:09pm
 Location: West country
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Site owner clearly sees there is more to be gained by keeping the new people sweet than by pursuing you. Keep your head down, and follow Phil's advice about the time limit.



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