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Quote: Originally posted by RogerGoff on 08/1/2015
Yes, the right of free speech is a precious thing, abuse it & there are consequences. UK tabloid journalists only went to jail, in this case the price was higher.



If that is the case then perhaps you should think before posting comments like that. If you didn't have freedom of speech comments like that wouldn't be allowed.

Nobody deserves to be shot for a cartoon and if you think a cartoon is abusing free speech then you don't understand how free you actually are at the present time.
I very much doubt anyone on here is so offended to grab a gun and do the same to you for your comments.

Show some respect for the families who are having to suffer the horrific actions of some deluded cowardly nuttters.

I have nothing but respect for those who lost their lives, it takes real guts to stick your head above the parapet and be noticed. Far too many prefer to pretend everything's ok when it obviously isn't.

If nobody dares to speak out the terrorists have won whoever or whatever cause or religion they kill in the name of.


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Quote: Originally posted by heath63 on 08/1/2015
These atrocities have nothing to do with religion. they do not follow the ethics or the teachings.

I hope that people can differentiate the actions and Muslims who follow the path of their religion, who also condemn these atrocities against humanity.   

To me, they are sick individuals and will commit murder regardless, this is what it is MURDER for any slightest reason.

if it wasn't the satirical humour, it would be something else.    





Totally agree. These extremists will stop at nothing and nobody to have what they want.

Really, all I care about just now are the poor families who have lost a loved one in a bloodbath



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It would certainly be for something else but if it wasn't for the 'satirical humour' these murders would not have happened. If you inflame your enemy you need to be ready for him when he comes & these unfortunate individuals were not.


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Quote: Originally posted by RogerGoff on 08/1/2015
It would certainly be for something else but if it wasn't for the 'satirical humour' these murders would not have happened. If you inflame your enemy you need to be ready for him when he comes & these unfortunate individuals were not.



They certainly were ready. They responded with the bravest action by carrying on doing the right thing even though bullies threatened them.

The only blame here is at the feet of those that took up the guns. To say otherwise is, and surely you must understand this, to lessen their sacrifice.

Do you really not realise that in the minds of a lunatic few all that is needed is that you are different for you to be a target. This is the lunacy that their cartoons showed us.


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Quote: Originally posted by RogerGoff on 08/1/2015
It would certainly be for something else but if it wasn't for the 'satirical humour' these murders would not have happened. If you inflame your enemy you need to be ready for him when he comes & these unfortunate individuals were not.



I think everyone posting here realises that, RogerGoff. You seemingly imply they lost their lives for nothing. Therein lies the conundrum.

Instead of silencing - or controlling - people, this act of barbarism has promoted solidarity, hence the 'Je suis Charlie' response and, I suspect, the aim of this thread.



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Quote: Originally posted by RogerGoff on 08/1/2015
Quote: Originally posted by lidds0 on 08/1/2015Instead of silencing - or controlling - people, this act of barbarism has promoted solidarity, hence the 'Je suis Charlie' response and, I suspect, the aim of this thread.


Sadly I don't think it has promoted solidarity, all it has done is create the usual media/social media sh*t storm no different from rapist footballers & so on with most contenders not having the slightest idea what lies behind all this. Nobody reads history books anymore, if they did they might take a slightly different view & understand the bigger picture.

It does not however alter the fact that publishing these blasphemous cartoons was always going to end badly & could have been so easily avoided by not publishing them.





Oh dear....

No solidarity in the huge crowds in France gathering to show their, for want of a better word, solidarity.

Should we not ever speak up against injustice and lunacy out of fear of the unjust and insane? I refuse to go down that path.

If you are wrong I will say so. If you are evil I will not be silent.

Do you not realise the irony of your critique of social media on...... social media?


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The French are p***ed off. This I fear is going to end darkly. My OH told me 88,000 security forces personnel were involved at any one time. They mean to see this to the bitter end. Take a look at the "Pergido" marches gathering momentum in Germany. The French went through a revolution because they hated oppression. Do you think this is going to go away quietly? Now to get off my soapbox and state my heartfelt sympathies with all murdered upholding freedom of speech.

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Quote: Originally posted by RogerGoff on 08/1/2015
Quote: Originally posted by lidds0 on 08/1/2015Instead of silencing - or controlling - people, this act of barbarism has promoted solidarity, hence the 'Je suis Charlie' response and, I suspect, the aim of this thread.


Sadly I don't think it has promoted solidarity, all it has done is create the usual media/social media sh*t storm no different from rapist footballers & so on with most contenders not having the slightest idea what lies behind all this. Nobody reads history books anymore, if they did they might take a slightly different view & understand the bigger picture.

It does not however alter the fact that publishing these blasphemous cartoons was always going to end badly & could have been so easily avoided by not publishing them.





I'm actually really surprised you continue to spout this drivel, ok let's all take your advice and say nothing or even talk about extremists for fear of being killed.

I'm sorry but the day we stop talking about it or poking fun at it the terrorists have won.

If you want to be ruled by terrorists that's fine but don't expect those who don't want this to protect you when it's suddenly on your doorstep.


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Quote: Originally posted by RogerGoff on 08/1/2015
Quote: Originally posted by lidds0 on 08/1/2015Instead of silencing - or controlling - people, this act of barbarism has promoted solidarity, hence the 'Je suis Charlie' response and, I suspect, the aim of this thread.


Sadly I don't think it has promoted solidarity, all it has done is create the usual media/social media sh*t storm no different from rapist footballers & so on with most contenders not having the slightest idea what lies behind all this. Nobody reads history books anymore, if they did they might take a slightly different view & understand the bigger picture.

It does not however alter the fact that publishing these blasphemous cartoons was always going to end badly & could have been so easily avoided by not publishing them.





I am currently watching hundreds of French people in silence mourning. There are marches on Saturday to show solidarity.

They ended their silence by applauding the murdered.

Well done to you my brothers.

Nous Sommes Charlie


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Two things sicken me about this matter.

1. Idiots/zealots who commit murder behind a veil of religion

2. The bl**dy press who seem to get to any new venue/incident before the police.



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Quote: Originally posted by RogerGoff on 08/1/2015
Absolutely, but good sense must prevail. Whether its hacking into a murdered schoolgirl's phone or publishing cartoons that would be considered blasphemous by fanatics with guns, editors need to understand cause & effect.



Good sense - or cowardice?
Phone hacking; the perpetrators were cowards who hid their acts committed for their own gain...
Publishing cartoons - or any form of criticism/ridicule of bigotry, fanaticism and/or cruel discrimination - is bravery and upholding freedom of all kinds.
Look through the history of the world - the freedom to worship how you please, the ending of slavery, the freedom to vote; the list is endless.... All of these came about by people speaking up, by word of mouth, by written articles and also cartoons.
There are responsibilities, but to claim these override everything is nothing but mealy-mouthed apologies and attempted appeasement - consider Neville Chamberlain....

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Could we just respect the people who have lost their lives yesterday and agree that all those who died must not have died in vain.
Je suis Charlie

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Quote: Originally posted by Bridie on 08/1/2015
Could we just respect the people who have lost their lives yesterday and agree that all those who died must not have died in vain.
Je suis Charlie


Point taken and respected
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Quote: Originally posted by jsparkes201148 on 08/1/2015
So would anyone suggest that The British press publish the infamous cartoon depicting the Prophet Mohammed, or are the potential consequences too horrific?



I would.


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Cartoonists globally are responding in their own indomitable style.


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Ok, sorry about this folks, but even after a clear up we have decided to close this thread due to the usual troll ruining it for the majority.

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