Having recently returned from 2 weeks at one of Scotlands lovliest sites ,I was hoping to come back relaxed and chilled out,but I was so angry with the site managers I was glad to get home to my own bed.We booked the site as it says on their website CAMP FIRES ALLOWED but a couple of days before we were to leave they put up signs NO CAMP FIRES ALLOWED due to antisocial behaviour.Having sat round the fire there was never any antisocial behaviour ,one incident was a lady who was a bit drunk on way to toilet tripped over a guy rope,we saw her and she never shouted out or anything,just an incident that could happen any time of day.But the couple in the tent complained,so the managers decided to Ban any bonfires on the beach .No other complaints were made as everyone else was sat round the fire ,now we are asking ourselves ,would they legaly have been able to do anything had anyone just lit a fire on the beach anyway it's not sectioned off to make it private for the camp site ..
Anyone else ever been in bother for having a camp fire?
There'll always be a minority to spoil it for the rest. If you'd asked for a pitch specifically because the site allowed camp fires, it is not done to change that policy overnight because one person complained. Allowing camp fire on your site implies you know what you allow and instead of revoking the privilege, I would have extra checks on the camp fire area to prevent rowdy and/or unsafe behaviour around camp fires.
So, a protest would be the minimal I would have done.
Food for thought: Do excessive amounts of alcohol and enjoying a camp-fire combine?
Consider to allocate a "Fire Pit-master" who will tend the fire and make sure it is doused afterwards and who knows what he/she is doing. A Camp fire is very nice as long as one knows how to handle in an emergency situation. Falling over guy lines in a more or less drunken state is kind of dumb and invasive to the owner of said guy lines as it indicates the person was disrespectfully cutting short...
I dont think they could stop you if the fire was below the high tide mark ! Any land owner ship tends to stop there . Its were Seakayakers are adviced to have there campfires this can be an issue regard tide times but it has the advatage of washing all trace of the fire away . The biggest issue i have is littering of beachs why can people be botherd to take bags and boxs of beer food extra but carnt tke the emptys back .
Robnchar and HT James raise valid points. Whether or not the site owner can make up ad hoc rules for activity below the high water line depends on whether he owns the land. If he says he does you are within your rights to ask to see documented evidence of same. Mind you if you've reached that point of the argument and he's the sort of bloke that makes up the rules as he goes along he'll probably have kicked you off his site anyway!
You maybe could have asked for the final two nights money back on account of him changing the rules? Though, by the sounds of it he probably wouldnt have given it.
That said, was the stay really ruined by not having a fire for the last couple of nights?
Personally, i wouldnt camp anywhere where they did allow campfires, as they tend to be the 'anything goes' type of places. Ive never seen open fires and tents going together if im honest.
If campfires are allowed on a campsite, and they are monitored properly, then there shouldnt really be a problem. I have been camping with campfires for many years and never had a problem. If someone gets drunk they can be a problem without a fire. Just guessing that the person falling over the guy lines drunk, wasnt carrying a campfire? So whats the problem with the campfire?
I can only assume that the management had their reasons for the change in policy, but as has been mentioned above, I would have been asking for some refund (not full) as I book on a site because they allow fires.
But I have to say that I wouldnt let it spoil my holiday, as there are many other fun things to do whilst camping
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.....unless to offer a hand, to help them up
the camp fire was very well monitored by 2 of the guys,and I'm sure the other ukcs members who were on the site would also agree everyone was well behaved.I know a lot of people don't think camp fires are good near tents etc but we were on the beach well away from any tents ,and awnings and we didn't burn any rubbish etc...Although we did enjoy the rest of our holiday we felt the last 2 nights we could not sit out and chat to the lovely people we had met because of the midges which were out in force so people sat in their own vans watching telly,the site its self is a very quiet site so all sitting in an awning could have got a bit loud .To me camp fires and camping go together especially with a few bags of marshmallows mmmmmmmm
Quote: Originally posted by tartanthistles on 16/8/2012
the camp fire was very well monitored by 2 of the guys,and I'm sure the other ukcs members who were on the site would also agree everyone was well behaved.I know a lot of people don't think camp fires are good near tents etc but we were on the beach well away from any tents ,and awnings and we didn't burn any rubbish etc...Although we did enjoy the rest of our holiday we felt the last 2 nights we could not sit out and chat to the lovely people we had met because of the midges which were out in force so people sat in their own vans watching telly,the site its self is a very quiet site so all sitting in an awning could have got a bit loud .To me camp fires and camping go together especially with a few bags of marshmallows mmmmmmmm
Shame you had to end your trip 2 days early. I agree, camping for me is to have real fires or fire in a firepit. It's just not the same for me without them.
We do all our cooking over the fire too and that's part of the enjoyment. Much better than your bog standard bbq. My dutch oven is my favourite!
I can see nothing anti social in sharing food/drink(in acceptable amounts)and marshmallows around a campfire on a beach with the occupants of 7 out of the 10 units that shared the campsite for that week...One occupant works as a doorman(nightclubs etc)and is used to dealing with anti social behaivour every weekend...He stated that he saw nothing that week that would have called upon his services...Just some people sat round a fire recounting the days activities..enjoying the sunset...and the shooting stars that shot across the sky from horizon to horizon...
And for the record....2 out of the remaining 3 occupants of the site were approached politely to ask if they had been disturbed on any of the nights in question...Both said...Although they were aware that we were on the beach..they never head a thing from us all night!!
Also for the record....I was one of the people branded antiscocial by the notice posted on the toilet door...I have STILL to be approached by anyone..Owner or other wise to tell me my behaviour was unacceptable....
Being of the opinion(right or wrong) that the owners of the campsite do not own the foreshore in front of their campsite some of the group were all for having a fire on the evening following the ban...But the majority decided on a compromise..And met up round some citronella candles and lamps to light our way...Not a patch on a fire BTW...
As a UKCS member who has attended many a meet...I'd be interested to know if any person I have met thinks me antisocial??....Serious replies and feed back only please...
Jelboy.
------------- Campers of the storm,Into this world are born
A lot of land owners here have stopped you buiding fires on their land as people think because a fire is out it does not mean it is not still burning below ground.Being a fisherman ive seen this many a time..
As a UKCS member who has attended many a meet...I'd be interested to know if any person I have met thinks me antisocial??....Serious replies and feed back only please...
Jelboy.
I do recall a certain evening round at my house when you and a certain sibling were very close to be thrown out lol
I could not believe my eyes when I saw on the website that they have dropped the wording that people were antisocial and have now written this
Campfires: No
longer allowed - after visitors stole wood from neighbours and
ourselves and finding lots of broken glass in ash, we have decided to stop
allowing bonfires. Sorry folks, as usual a few have spoilt it for the
majority.
not one of our group broke any glass and the owner saw we had cleared up all debris from our fire.One guy found a few bits of wood when he walked up a footpath well away from the owners house and when approached he apologised and returned it ,as it just looked like it had been dumped and did not at all look like "winter stock ",all the wood for the fire was brought by 2 members of the same family who had been to the site before and some of us also bought bundles of kindling sticks from local shop.
who would have thought a few people around a camp fire would have caused such a stir ,I am beginning to think it's time the owners retired
Grrr! Even if a minority of of people had stolen wood etc. it's no reason to ban fires. The majority usually suffer because of knee jerk reactions to something a minority have done.
What an unpleasant end to your holiday, Tartanthistles. Even if there had been a real problem it sounds like a complete over-reaction to ban camp fires altogether.
A quick google of your quotation and I easily found the site. It won't be on my list of places to visit. Too far away for me anyway.