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20/11/2012 at 4:10pm
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Not a fan of job center's. Our local center also have the guards but even if you want to look for job's you have to have an appointment, and you can not go with a friend that is signing on, you have to stand out side.
When i was signing on (Now that has been a few years) you could claim for travel expenses if you where going for interviews outwith x amount of miles.
My mum is on incapacity benefit and dla she cant walk very far or hold anything for any time, she goes out 2 times a week to visit friends, they called her in to job center on a Saturday and told her that she had been working lol and she would lose her benefit. Now she has went for medical and the Dr has told her that she will be on benefits her whole life.
Now lets see what happens.




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My OH worked in the job centre in California and I should imagine the work is not all that different. He came home every day with one story after another. One claimant seemed like a well qualified and well dressed woman. He sent her for countless jobs, but she always went back having not been hired. It puzzled him. One day he phoned one of the employers and asked him why he hadn't employed her. They asked if he would employ a woman in the sort of job he was offering who had no teeth? Whenever she went for the job interview she took out her teeth. She had no intentions of working. It is a bit different in the US as he had the power to cut off her benefits.


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i think we should have the power to cut off benefits here too.  I also think that job seekers should be made to go and volunteer while looking for work, just saying.

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I have been umemployed since April I was made redundant, I now am not entitled to job seekers allowance now, and have to sign on every other week to get my National insurance stamp.
I do do voluntary work and have to pay parking and fuel for the pleasure, I get all the dirty jobs to do that nobody else will do, I did leave my last voluntary post, and was repmanded by my assessor at the job center. I go to the job centre at the same time every fortnight, and the same people are there. I sit next to a person from I think Lithuania who sits with his translator, he cant read or write in English but is getting benefit, I cant see him getting a job as he cant look for himself, he gets benefit I dont. I have lived out of the counry as my husband is British Forces, I could not work in the countries we lived I dont have enough credit to get a full pension. Having to just go to the job centre is degrading, not every body is the same, I would love to go back to work.


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I watch these kind of threads on the many Forums i use,it sort of opens my eyes to the people i am sharing my internet experience with.


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20/11/2012 at 5:44pm
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I was made redundant in 1993, after going to the job centre to register, I was told I needed to be interviewed, the first available slot was in a weeks time. At the interview a week later, I was asked what I was doing about looking for a job, I pulled out a file with job adverts in it and notes of dates I had applied and any follow up conversations. I went through the procedure of signing on, I heard about Job Clubs after a week or two and asked to go on one. I was told at the job centre that to qualify for a place on a job club, you have to be unemployed for 6 months and I was not eligible as I had only been unemployed for a month. I then asked the person behind the desk the following question: "Are you here to help me find work, yes or no? Or are you here to perform an admin function? I was put on a job club starting the next week!

I was mede redundant again 10 years ago, money in lieu of notice so I had to go & sign on to get my NI contributions paid even though I could not claim JSA. I was offered a job starting in 6 weeks which I accepted, the person expected me to get a temporary job on minimum wage for 6 weeks so that I was one less person unemployed.



20/11/2012 at 6:07pm
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The people working in jobcentres are working to tight rules and procedures as set out by the Government, they are not deliberatley out to be unhelpful and are probably just as frustrated as the people coming for help. It's just easier for people to see them as faceless objects to vent thier anger on, but not necessarily fair. People who have attended the jobcentre and been annoyed at the few people they see as claiming while they shouldn't, or milking the system, should maybe consider that the staff feel exactly the same, but see a LOT more cases of it than you do, day in day out, which must be pretty disheartening to say the least.

Of course the OP was followed around by a security guard after shouting at a member of staff, you would be anywhere, in fact in most other places you would probably have been asked to leave immediatley. Why should they put up with abusive behaviour? No one expects to put up with it in other jobs, e.g - you can't get on a bus and be abusive to the driver-they will (rightly) throw you off!



20/11/2012 at 6:37pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Angef on 20/11/2012


i think we should have the power to cut off benefits here too.  I also think that job seekers should be made to go and volunteer while looking for work, just saying.

How would they look for work, be available for interviews etc if they were doing voluntary work?

I used to manage volunteers, and there's no way I would want volunteers who'd been forced to do the work. I don't think they'd have the right attitude.




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My brother works in one of these centers,his wage is preatty poor and hes on 6 month contracts.Hes lost a lot of his staff.He does actually like it and has had to put up with very little abuse.


20/11/2012 at 7:26pm
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I'm probably going to have to keep my views to myself on this one (worse than the Daily Mail some of you lot) but I will say that for every so-called "scrounger" there's 10 people who genuinely want a job and need to claim benefits in the mean time.

It's like people forget that when you don't have a job you also don't have any money, that old saying "there's no shame in a genuine claim" seems to be wearing very thin. I am likely to be unemployed in the next few weeks as I'm a temp and my placement is finishing and there's no way I can't sign on, my mum relies on me paying rent and university means I have no savings. I refuse to feel ashamed about the fact I will be on JSA, and yet everywhere I looked when I was unemployed people were accusing us claimers of being scroungers or telling us to "get a job" (usually by people who haven't tried to claim recently).

I don't WANT to live on £56 a week with a fortnightly visit to a horrible place where you're treated like a criminal and not helped. I don't particularly want to be receiving near constant job rejections or not hearing back from jobs either. Unemployment is so rarely a choice, it's deliberately been made hard for that reason. I won't go any further because tentz or someone will come along and pick a proper argument and I'll be here all night.


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My O.H had experience of the J.C when laid off work without pay last February, his boss who had flitted to Austrailia prior to that and was not putting him in the picture as to what was going on and only contactable by email when he felt like it! (long story)

Anyhow he went to the job centre to try to claim something,he wanted to work but in his contract it said he couldn't work for anyone else and he was worried that it may affect any redundancy he may eventually get.

After being told to fill in certain forms and omitting to tell him to fill in others it was decided after a few weeks that he wasn't entitled because he was working but he wasn't. The confusion lay in the fact that he was employed and they didn't seem to grasp that he was and tried to explain this difficult situation.

Eventually they decided he could claim but wouldn't pay anything for the previous weeks.

To cut a long story short he has just this week been paid out for the first few weeks after repeatedly appealing and being turned down, he was like a terrier he wouldn't let it go and eventually it went to court he had evidence to prove he wasn't working. He still had to chase his money though, even when he won the case.

my advice for anyone else would be if you think you are in the right....fight.

He is not a person to be broken but just as the O.P has decribed the place nearly made him ill, I have never seen him so low.

The CAB were really helpful with advice, the only place that seemed to be able to help (ACAS were useless).

it worked out in the end that in May he saw temporary job and he got it. His boss went into voluntary liquidation but not before fleecing whoever he could, getting customers to pay up front and not paying the supplier then selling everything that wasn't tied down to line their pockets beforehand (the system is wrong people shouldn't be allowed to do this).

Now he boasts on facebook what a wonderful life he has and that he thanks the lord he has been given a second chance and he is building a massive house with pool etc etc etc.

My O.H eventualy got his redundancy payment from the government and thankfully has been given a permanent contract. He is feels very bitter and let down by his old boss and the whole system and swears he will never set foot in that hell hole again even if it means we have to live in the caravan and travel around where the work is and I am with him on that.



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Quote: Originally posted by jasper15 on 20/11/2012
I have been umemployed since April I was made redundant, I now am not entitled to job seekers allowance now, and have to sign on every other week to get my National insurance stamp.
I do do voluntary work and have to pay parking and fuel for the pleasure, I get all the dirty jobs to do that nobody else will do, I did leave my last voluntary post, and was repmanded by my assessor at the job center. I go to the job centre at the same time every fortnight, and the same people are there. I sit next to a person from I think Lithuania who sits with his translator, he cant read or write in English but is getting benefit, I cant see him getting a job as he cant look for himself, he gets benefit I dont. I have lived out of the counry as my husband is British Forces, I could not work in the countries we lived I dont have enough credit to get a full pension. Having to just go to the job centre is degrading, not every body is the same, I would love to go back to work.



You might fix fit cheaper to register yourself as self employed and pay NI rather than pay to go to the job centre. It's not the same NI, it doesn't give you sick pay etc, but ii think it does protect your pension rights ( you'd need to check).

I was self mployed but I ididnt pay NI as I opted not to as I told i was covered ecause I had children at home.


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I've been made redundant twice, the first time in 1994 I signed on and started to job hunt. I got offered a temp job dong one week before Xmas and one week after Xmas but they were closed in between. I went to tell job centre and see if my claim could be paused.

I think I was getting about £50 a week, I nearly fell off the seat when the advisor old me it wasn't worth taking the job because I would have to sign off, then I wouldn't be paid for the week between and when I signed back on although I would get paid there would be a delay so it was more hassle than it was worth... And the bloke nearly fell of HIS seat when I pointed out I was getting £900/week and even if I hadn't just a 'foot in the door' was worth working for.

The second time was in 2003, I had two kids under 3, was working as a senior manager in a law firm, 3 days a week. Was advised to fill in the form saying I couldn't travel more than 30 mins (although previous job was 1.5 hrs commute), wanted the same hours and salary etc. otherwise I could be forced to take "anything". I was told I had a right to look for the same job for x weeks, then I would need to widen the jobs to other jobs I could do, but I didn't have to look or take any job that didn't it in with the family.

No wonder people get upset if the staff are telling people how to 'work' the system




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