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04/1/2014 at 1:55am
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Hi Em, Please don't think that a recovering alcoholic is in any way "proud" of their achievements. We only achieve continued sobriety One Day At A Time. We would probably give anything to be just a normal social drinker.

Alcohol has nothing to do with the way we are. Bottom line is that I am an "ic" and I suffer from an "ism".

Cutting back the alcohol or stopping it for a while will not take away either the IC or the ISM.

Normal social drinkers do not hide bottles or drink in secret. They don't need to lie about how much they drink and they don't use alcohol as a crutch to live normal lives.

Pleading with your dad to cut back or anything else will not work. The only way you can truly help him is to make him aware of the real harm he is doing to the family by drinking the way he is.
Then, hopefully, he will seek help.   

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I remember going to my first AA meeting, I said to my wife do I look like an alcoholic she said no, she knew I was but more importantly so did I and that was my first step to sobriety which changed my life dramatically for the better.



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Quote: Bridgelayer, yes he did. I know he was in the Falkland’s war as he went there for 6 months the day after I was born. I have no idea if he went anywhere else and have never thought if that could be part of it all. Guess I think cause it was 31 years ago (gives away my age!) anything from then would have been dealt with.


Em, I know at least 2 other people who saw action in the Falklands and they are STILL suffering from the effects of what they saw out there. If your dad hasn't been diagnosed with PTSD it won't have been dealt with and will still be affecting him. He may not think so and think, like many other ex-forces, that PTSD is a load of rubbish, so can't see the sense of seeing a "shrink".

As Fiona has said, contact Combat Stress and talk to someone there.

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Everyone in this thread has been so honest and kind.

I'd like to thank you all, and especially Em for raising the issue.

My mum has a problem with alcohol. I don't know wether I'd call her an alcoholic, or whether everyone with such issues is an alcoholic.

Regardless of the terminology, my mum drinks every day and has done for as long as I can remember. I know not to bother calling or speaking to her after a certain time at night because she won't remember the conversation in any way.

It makes me feel very sad, and also quite angry if I'm honest because we have so much lost time due to alcohol. I no longer drink because I don't want to go down that road.

I've talked to her about her drinking, as a teenager I wrote her a letter because I couldn't say what I felt face to face, but nothing has made any difference. She tells me she has told her doctors about how much she drinks. I know that's not true because they haven't acted on it in any way, and if she had been honest, they would have said something!

She got breast cancer. (She's fine now) had operations, and the night of the ops she was drinking. One time I remember she had a stomach bug - all the family had it. She lives alone so I went to check on her. In that situation, wouldn't most people have a glass of water or juice by their bed? My mum had whiskey. She was asleep. I replaced it with a glass of water. But it all makes me want to cry really. She doesn't see any problem. She just thinks she enjoys a drink.

Thank you everyone who has posted advice and links. I too will be checking them out.


05/1/2014 at 1:39am
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Although I have taken a number of people to AA Meetings and as far as I know, they are still sober today, there are also a number who I took and they didn't stay and went back to drinking.

They are all dead and gone now, but that was their choice and I cannot fault their decision.
Some folks just prefer to drink.


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Thank you all for your help/advise and kind words. RachlN76 I am glad this has helped you as well, if you ever want to talk to someone going through the same feelings etc then hopefully my profile shows ways of contacting me! :)

Since last updating this post things have been very up and down. My dad seems to think because he hasn't been told to not drive he can chose when he drives. He has had a very blunt email from my brother on this one (I didn't know until my brother told me)

On Monday my brother and I got an email from my mum. who had not been happy when I spoke to her on Sunday, but after what I was told about Dad and driving I put it down to that. But the email advised other wise and confirmed one of my fears, mum is considering leaving dad. I know it is her choice and tbh I don't blame her, she isn't at the mo as she doesn't see why she should be pushed out of her home but if she did I don't think dad will last a year. He has never been on his own went straight from boarding school to the Navy.

When i spoke to mum last night she had been up to a family friends that day and was sounding a bit better. Dad does seem to have cut down and for now not drinking in secret (mum checked his study yesterday) but I know i am thinking been here done this already.

I put in my FB status know one knows what 2014 has in store for us, and now feel like never a true word spoken. I suspect myself and family are in for a tough year all i can do is take one day at a time, talk/write my feelings down and ask for help as and when needed.
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Have you ever suggested to your dad to volunteer with the local Sea cadet unit? Obviously I know its not a cure for alcoholism, but it would give him the opportunity to go back in uniform and be part of something that is structured and would share he knowledge of the Navy?

My daughter is a cadet and has learned so much from the officers at her unit. Most of them are ex navy or are reserves themselves.

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08/1/2014 at 4:23pm
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Having been a Sea Cadet myself when I was a teenager, I'm sure Em's Dad would make a great leader in that organisation, but I think everyone would prefer it if he was a sober and responsible adult first and makes some efforts towards being a husband and a father to those closest to him before branching out to pastures new.

I don't know why I did not lose my wife, my job and my home with the way I was performing and can only put that down to the goodness of other people, but these days I look at the down and outs on the street or those poor people in the locked wards of Mental Hospitals and think, there but for the grace of others go I.

I have attended AA Meeting in Prisons and in Mental Hospitals and the sharing I have heard from the inmates in these places is not all that different to my own history. Perhaps I was just fortunate that when I did get myself into some tricky situations, I was still with it enough to get myself out without resorting to a drink sodden solution.
They were not so lucky.

At the moment Em's Dad is only hurting those closest to him.
Soon he will start hurting himself, and if he is lucky, as I was, that pain will make him seek help.

Everyone with a drink problem has but two choices. We either take care of ourselves by seeking help or we let others look after us and the choices that society has for alcoholics are draconian.

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The number of comments on this post demonstrates what a widespread problem this is ... I too have a story to tell as the wife of a wonderful man whose drinking ran out of control. After hospitalization and months of pretending he hadn't gone back to the bottle he too found the courage to go to AA. It helped him immensely. However - and I know this maybe controversial - he now drinks (weak beer only) socially in a controlled way with no adverse or associated problems. There may be those who don't believe this is possible and for many I know another drink isn't an option. For us, it works. Hubby is mentally and physically in good health, happy and in control and has been for about 3 years now.

Thought it worth giving my experience. Wishing you and your family the very best.

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Jenhug thank you for the suggestion, it is not something we have thought of but I will keep it in mind for the future. As LobeyDosser says he needs to be sober for something like that, he has gotten away with driving etc when he shouldn't have been but there is only so much luck anyone gets.

One of the frustrating things is recently he had started to have more on in the day and things he can plan in his diary as he has been doing shifts for the National Costal Watch at his local place, recently joined up with Help for Heros and a local community action group. All of which will help towards him feeling like he is getting his life back on track. A worry bead is that at the moment he can not attend meetings etc as he can not drive. Whilst my mum drives she is refusing to drive him to places, which in some aspects my brother and I understand but in other ways it will not help.

In a way unfortunately my mum is a strong (and guess stubborn) person and a lot of this is down to her having to be to cope whilst he was away a lot. She has had depression so she knows what it is like so it is not her understanding.

Tracy63 that is what we would like for my dad, to be able to have a social drink, like he use to.

Thanks all for listening (again!!!)


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This thread hurts, but I keep coming back to it.

My mother - now in her 90's - was an alcoholic, and I'm sure still would be if only she had the physical and mental competence to obtain it. As it is, she is virtually paralysed from the armpits down, and suffers from dementia. How much of her disability is age related, and how much alcohol related, is anybody's guess.

My father died 24 years ago, and gradually after that we became aware that there was a problem, but couldn't for a while work out what it was (thanks to the recession of the 80's, we had all moved away to get work. I asked my mother to move near us, but she wouldn't). She was acting very strangely and after a couple of years we realised that alcohol was at the root of it. We tried talking to her her, I went to Al-Anon to try to get strategies to help her cope, spoke to her doctor - we tried everything we could think of, but she wasn't prepared to give up. When drunk (most of the time) she was was hostile and abusive, and often incontinent.

We would travel 170 miles to see her, only for her to refuse to let us in the house because if we came in she had to stop drinking. She would see us through the window, but just flap her hand at us in dismissal - the doors would be locked.

Worryingly she was still driving: the doctor said he couldn't report her to DVLA because of patient confidentiality. So whenever my brother and I visited we vandalised her car as we knew she couldn't (even at her best) identify or resolve any mechanical problems. My handbag has played host to rotor arms, points, plugs,and various wires. We used to disconnect the coil or the battery (or both). Unfortunately she just used to ring up the local garage and they would come and repair it (goodness knows what they thought was happening).

When my daughter was born, the pair of us spent 3 months in hospital, but not so much as a card from my mother, she just wasn't interested. For the next year or so we still invited her to stay, but it became increasingly worrying as she was unstable on her feet and I was afraid she would fall on the baby. The crunch came when I was expecting my second child. I had taken my mother and daughter out for the day; when we got back, as I was unstrapping my daughter from the baby seat, my mother ran away, on a hunt for drink. She didn't have a clue where she was going. When my husband got in from work we went our separate ways looking for her. My husband's first stop was the police station (it's my daughter's earliest memory). As it happened, my mother had been reported to the police while she was sprawling on the pavement, drinking from a brandy bottle. To the policemen's credit, they didn't take her to the police station but to the cottage hospital, where we were able to pick her up. After that, although she came to visit, it was day trips only, I couldn't cope with another overnighter and two toddlers.

My mother was never interested in my children, only her brandy bottle. I have always felt jealous of women who have been able to discuss day-to-day problems/concerns/events with their mothers - I haven't for the last quarter of a century - and I am unimaginably resentful of those people whose mothers are real grandparents. My mother is my children's only surviving grandparent, the others died before they were born, but my kids don't know what having a real grandparent is like.

About 8 years ago my mother broke her hip (she has broken most of her bones in alcohol induced falls; another incidence of alcoholism is osteoporosis), there were complications and she spent about 10 months in hospital. She was only out 3 weeks when she fell and broke the other one. In total she spent nearly a year in hospital which served to dry her out, and when she came out of hospital her mobility was so severely affected she couldn't get to the shops (and wouldn't know how to order over the phone).

By then though, her memory had been severely affected. For years, even when she has been sober, her memory has been non-existent - and that includes long-term memory. Not only is it difficult to have a conversation with her (try only talking about what's happening right now, and nothing else) but also your memories go a long way to making up your personality.

I don't think I have any feelings for my mother, that in fact the person who was my mother died many years ago. I certainly felt a great deal of loss and did a lot of grieving then. How I'll feel when she eventually dies, I really don't know.

I can remember instances from my childhood which make me think that the alcohol problems weren't triggered by my father's death. I suspect that there were already problems, but he didn't allow them to develop (my mother never had any money, didn't own a purse or a handbag until after my father died). No alcohol was allowed in the house, which we just put down to my father having strong views on booze. I think that when he died the control was removed.

One thing I have learned is that it's not my fault. I have done everything I could to try and address the problem, but it was my mother's choice to reject my family in favour of alcohol. If your father doesn't choose to take control of the situation, then that too is HIS choice and it IS NOT YOUR FAULT.

Perhaps he should read some of the posts on here - he might find it enlightening. It might also remind him of what he stands to lose.



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There ia an interesting feature on the BBC news site

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25639406


"Should there be a word for an almost alcoholic"


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Hi Em,I am an ex Naval Nurse and have many years experience of detoxing Naval Personnel,if I can be of any help I would say that you cannot help or get him detoxed until he is ready to say he is an alcoholic and wants to get help,it will not work any other way.Don't spend your precious time running round,live your life but be there when he needs you and only then contact the forces charities for help,if you do it sooner you will get all worked up and drive your fathers drinking underground and could make him worse cos he will feel worse about himself and a let down to you.His GP already knows hes a drinker and will help when ur Dad is ready to go and ask him.Unfortunately the Naval life revolves around a lot of drink and he will have been drinking heavily for the whole of your life,you just didn't perceive how much.If he had a little structure to his life like a small part time voluntary job it might help but I expect that by now it would be hard for him to hold it down.Keep going and doing your own thing,don't let this alcoholism ruin all your lives,your Dad wouldn't want that,carry on and make him proud of you and be ready for when he wants help and support him through it


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Hi Rose, Thanks for sharing that with us.

Like any illness where self destruction is the consequence, the ones that are hurt the most are the family members, because they know what is wrong, but they are helpless to do anything about it.



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