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Subject Topic: Parking ticket photo evidence `altered`
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Personmikegalagher
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Well, if you're going to commit fraud in order to boost your income, it's best to find a way with a reasonable chance of success, I'd have thought

Either the firm's recruitment tests are so weak they're ending up with numpties who can't see the obvious flaw in the scam, or possibly it's some disgruntled contractor/employee deliberately out to cause trouble for the PPC.

But it happened at more than one location, suggesting it was more likely management "encouragement"?

Very strange.



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Personbilly
12/9/2015 at 12:42pm
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This used to happen in the transport industry. Truck drivers would be paid low basic and high bonus. Firms would deny they were encouraging drivers to break the law, driving over their hours to get the job done & if the driver got nicked he was on his own. Then DoT saw the light and started nicking the the management of the transport companies as well.


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Quote: Originally posted by Billy x on 12/9/2015
This used to happen in the transport industry. Truck drivers would be paid low basic and high bonus. Firms would deny they were encouraging drivers to break the law, driving over their hours to get the job done & if the driver got nicked he was on his own. Then DoT saw the light and started nicking the the management of the transport companies as well.


It's called vicarious liability.



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Just one of many scams I would imagine,until they are regulated and punished for unfair charges they will keep getting away with it.

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14/9/2015 at 8:33am
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Specifically here it appears to be a bent employee. If it is proved it will be the employee that will possibly be charged with an offence. The company cannot be held liable just because they have an incentive scheme that might encourage employees to falsify records. There would need to be proof that the company was compliciant in the fraud.


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Its just the same as the cowboy wheelclampers, in a different format dont you think?

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14/9/2015 at 11:35am
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The format is the same inasmuch it is guaranteed to enrage, but not the same because the cowboy wheelclampers stayed just within a law that was sensibly changed but this is deliberate fraud which is illegal.


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14/9/2015 at 12:52pm
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What i meant was. If there is a way to make money, people will, whether legally (sailing close to the wind) or not. That's what I meant in format.

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What people? Are we talking about individual bent employees? Most employees are honest, just because an employee has the opportunity to steal does not mean they will, most don't. Did you steal from your employer just because you could?


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The dishonest people termed cowboys, basically.

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Personmikegalagher
14/9/2015 at 3:19pm
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In England and Wales, The POFA 2012 gave operators the right to pursue additional charges, and in the Beavis case, the charge was held reasonable - twice.

It seems to me that the ability to park is a resource, becoming scarcer, and rationed by price and T&C's. The rage arises because people just don't want to pay for the resource, and/or use it in accordance with the terms.

Whatever happens in Beavis will result in potential ramifications.

If he wins, the PPC "free 2 hours" business model becomes flawed. What impact that has on availability of spaces remains to be seen. If the operation is no longer viable, will councils step in to meet the shortfall?

If he looses, anybody with a bit of land could appoint a PPC to operate a carpark on it in exchange for the rental. And that rental needs covering and a profit made.

Interestingly, one spin off element of the argument is that "penalties" avoid VAT, but "charges" do not. So Parking Eye might win, but end up with back VAT to pay.

Who'd have thought that all this would result from a desire to stop clamping?

"Out of the frying pan..." comes to mind.

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Each time we go to France, it strikes me just how small are the number of places with charged car parks, and just how cheap it tends to be even if they do.

Just sayin ......


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Its about space, similar population to UK in 5 times the space. Popular tourist towns tend to be 'payant' but less cost than UK. For French town centre parking spaces marked in blue your are supposed to display a 'disque de stationnement' & park for 1 hr during restricted periods. One can get a disque which is actually a blue card with time display from local council office or tourist office.

Some streets only allow parking on opposite sides of street on alternate days so France has parking regs equally as confusing as UK. Having said all that, I don't think parking fines can be recovered from non French reg cars, so park where you like anyway.

Holland with less space than UK has pay carparks just about everywhere, often with lifting barriers so foreign reg cars cannot avoid charges.



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