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21/4/2017 at 8:11pm
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I hired a carpet fitter last year to fit two carpets in my old house prior to it getting put up for sale. My daughter took him up a cup of tea after he had finished her room to have a look at her new carpet.
He has today been found guilty of 3 counts of serious sexual offences against vulnerable girls and is facing jail.
I feel sick that this vile scumbag was in my house and even worse that he was in my daughters bedroom with her albeit briefly.
But it does show a flaw in websites such as mybuilder and ratedpeople etc.
Is it perhaps time these sites ran disclosure checks on their tradesmen before accepting them on their sites? In no way a dig at the genuine tradesmen etc but this was first brought to light 2 years ago and he was still allowed to take jobs from the site knowing he would be in people's houses etc.
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21/4/2017 at 8:16pm
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If he had no previous convictions then there was nothing to show up in any previous check. Innocent until proven guilty so there is no criminal record until conviction.
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21/4/2017 at 9:08pm
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It would be interesting to know what his bail conditions were, prior to conviction. He might well have been breaking them. The police might choose to disclose the pending court case as part of an Enhanced DBS check, but not necessarily. And normally you would only apply for an Enhanced DBS check for someone working with children as part of their job e.g teacher.
I can understand your disgust and sense of betrayal though.
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21/4/2017 at 10:12pm
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No you don't. I work in a school where safeguarding of young people is of the highest priority. Everyone who works in schools has to have an enhanced DBS check but they could be clear if they have never been caught so even this process is flawed. Still at least anyone who has been charged would be prevented.
I would also feel sick to my stomach if this man had been in my home.
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21/4/2017 at 11:48pm
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Unfortunately any records check is only as good as the records being checked. I once knew a man who was fully CRB checked for working in schools and who regularly taught children to scuba dive. He was arrested one morning for having 130,000 indecent images of child pornography on his computer (though there was no evidence of him having abused any children himself).
I understand your shock though and am just happy that your daughter wasn't harmed.
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22/4/2017 at 8:27am
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There is a danger of beating yourself up for nothing.
That a person was guilty of assault on a child does not mean that he will assault all children.
If you have been found guilty of driving a car too fast, does not mean that every time you are in a car in future, you will exceed the speed limits.
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22/4/2017 at 7:39pm
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You really don't know people...the vicar who married me was, a few years later, convicted of paedophilia.
It makes you less trusting of people in general, which is a sad state of affairs.
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22/4/2017 at 8:23pm
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That is just awful. I really do feel for you. I sympathise wholly. We found out in December that a trusted young man (26) from our church had groomed and inappropriately behaved with my friend's 7 year old daughter. There wasn't enough evidence to charge him. We then found out that this man had been grooming my own daughters via email and various things he'd been saying to them at church. He then said something incredibly inappropriate to me. We went to the police and there is now an "open file" on him.
The minister has decided to defend him and we have had to leave our church. The whole situation has made me quite ill.
I'm just grateful that my daughters, and your daughter, are safe. Xx
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22/4/2017 at 10:34pm
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Sorry, but if ANYONE said anything inappropriate to me about my daughter, they would be very poorly! She is 32 now, but it still counts 😀👍
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23/4/2017 at 11:31am
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Maybe the lesson from this is that we should never be complacent about the safety of our children. As has been said, the DBS system only reveals convictions. As parents or guardians, we need to be mindful of risk, teach children to keep themselves safe without making them so fearful that they don't trust anybody.
I wonder that children are ever allowed to go for sleepovers these days, but they are. Discuss!
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23/4/2017 at 12:09pm
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In the 1950s/1960s when I was a small child I can vaguely recall a few 'encounters' with adults that looking back seemed definitely dodgy but having no father & not much mother I was a streetwise kid who would run away from any encounter that I was not comfortable with.
However I also recall the many times that adults even teachers at my school would extend simple acts of kindness towards me giving me food & so on when it was plain I was not being looked after properly at home.
So even in the time when paedos could & did get away with it ime the vast majority of adults I came across as a vulnerable kid without parental supervision had only kind thoughts towards me so nobody should worry unnecessarily. I spent most of my childhood out & about & came to no real harm.
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23/4/2017 at 12:28pm
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Indeed, supposedly statistics show children are at no greater risk now than in the past, it is just so much more in the public eye.
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23/4/2017 at 12:44pm
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I would say kids were at far more risk decades ago. The awareness & understanding of it now & the better communication via the internet all makes kids safer now than ever before.
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23/4/2017 at 1:45pm
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These 'CheckaTrader' sites must be taken with a pinch of salt. When i was self employed, i was forever getting calls urging me to join up, as it would 'mean more work'. All i had to do, was pay them a fee, and i was 'in'. No checks, no nothing. I could have been the biggest cowboy outside Texas. Or the seediest perv on the planet, and it wouldnt have mattered. All they wanted was my enrolling fee.
When i asked how much more work i would be getting, they said they couldnt actually guarantee anything. So when i suggested that i could probably get just the same amount of work by not paying them a few hundred quid, they usually hung up.
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Most people have no real risk awareness, instead work upon emotional outbursts.
Well over 95% of all child abuse cases are, and always have been, committed by a member of the family or a close family friend.
If we had risk awareness, then the mantra for our children would be
only talk to strangers and avoid anyone you know
It is the tabloid press that fuels the fear of strangers.
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The most a check means is that they have never been caught.
When I was growing up, we had a chap who lived around the corner and his bed sit window over looked our garden.
He was rough and ready and would never have past a CRB (had they been around) as he had spend the odd night in the cells for drunk and disorderly.
Yet when it came to children you could not have asked for a kinder more caring person.
On a Friday night he would go around the pubs in drag collecting money for a local children's home for those kids that were so sick/handicapped that nobody wanted them. The nuns thought the world of him.
A few years ago they were collecting for this home in a local supermarket and asked had I heard of it, and I mentioned this man's name - the lady had known him and said how wonderful he was.
I think that had he found out that anybody had touched a child in an inappropriate way they would have been taken down dark alley and taught a lesson.
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