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16/4/2019 at 9:39am
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Quote: Originally posted by dimbles on 15/4/2019
I doubt it as oil companies have more clout than any government on this planet! Think of the millions of people that will become unemployed should the oil industry grind to halt tomorrow. A government would then need to support them and not many governments can afford to support millions of unemployed oil workers, car manufacturers plus associated industries, mechanics etc. Who said that electric cars will be good for the population?
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If that is the case why has the government said that no more petrol or diesel vehicles of any kind will be allowed for registration after 2040. Volvo will be producing only electric cars after 2020 Ford are going electric or hybrid for most of the 2020 range.
Times are a changing very rapidly. The government will no doubt have some scheme to make up for the loss in revenue.
And you believe the government? Think of the huge losses that the government will sustain with the loss of revenue from the sale of fuel. Does this mean that we will be taxed out of existence as the government will need to support millions of people.
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16/4/2019 at 1:49pm
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As soon as BEVs become mainstream, if they ever do, the cost of running them will rocket as the government seeks to make up the loss of fuel tax revenues. The only reason they are cheap to run at the moment is because they only make up a tiny percentage of vehicles, so not worth bothering with. The same applies to LPG fuelled vehicles, another tiny minority.
It's not the range between charges that will be the main problem, it's the cost of batteries and how long they will last before they need replacing. Fast charging will undoubtedly shorten their life too. Then there is the question of infrastructure and power generation.
Look at the market for cars like the ones I tend to buy. It is huge! The cars I tend to buy cost far less than the cost of a set of batteries for a BEV, so in all probability a BEV with knackered batteries will be worthless. I think that those who shout about the benefits of BEVs, and there are many benefits it's true, think that things will stay the same and people will simply swap the oil-powered cars for BEVs. I don't think that will happen at all. I think that the market will change drastically, as will lifestyles, just as they have done many times over the centuries gone before. Compare today's lifestyle with that of 60 years ago and you can see what I mean. Back then very few people used a car to commute to and from work, and virtually no children went to school by car. I'm not saying we will go back to that, but changes of a similar magnitude will happen, of that I have no doubt. What they will be I have little idea, but one thing I think will happen is that far more people will work from home.
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And you believe the government? Think of the huge losses that the government will sustain with the loss of revenue from the sale of fuel. Does this mean that we will be taxed out of existence as the government will need to support millions of people.
That means that the UK government is telling porky pies as are the other European governments, they must all be in the porky pie club. Like or not time moves on and big changes are on the way. I am well aware of the vast revenue that is generated by the sale of petrol and diesel, road tax sales tax and all the rest of it. Its a stark choice either we change the way we do things or the eco system on the Earth is going to collapse, that is the choice we have, whats the point of arguing about it.
I would not worry to much about the government getting its money it will find a way.
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cant see delivery transport going all electric ,so artics and vans and farm and quarry vehicles will remain Diesel .while the motorist will be shamed into buying hybrid or electric,,,ill be staying with diesel...
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Long distance lorries may be replaced by transporting by rail. Many rail lines are being electrified now.
Local deliveries will be ideal for battery power.
Yes we must change life styles to reduce the need for travel.
I honestly think BEV is only a short term solution. Power cables will be underground in the major highways such as motorways etc. It's possible for induction charging to be used so your car can charge as you drive om motorways then use battery for local roads.
Induction charging will help on street charging too. The charger will be in the ground and all you need to do is park your car over one. Maybe a phone App will make the connection and pay.
Taxing electricity used in BEVs will be difficult. If you charge at home how will they know if the electric used is cooking your dinner or charging your car.
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If only we'd never switched from rail to road we wouldn't be faced with a lot of the problems we have today. Local deliveries used to be made by electric vehicles, and we scrapped them too. We seem to like going backwards.
Induction may well be one of the answers. It's certainly a much better prospect than BEVs for distance travel. It has been trialled in buses with induction loops at stops.
Knowing the way governments tend to think in this country, they will probably go for big increases in road tax for electric vehicles rather than taxing electricity. Guaranteed money that way whether you use the vehicle or not, which is why they have never done away with road tax and put it on petrol.
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Quote: Originally posted by dimbles on 16/4/2019
And you believe the government? Think of the huge losses that the government will sustain with the loss of revenue from the sale of fuel. Does this mean that we will be taxed out of existence as the government will need to support millions of people.
That means that the UK government is telling porky pies as are the other European governments, they must all be in the porky pie club. Like or not time moves on and big changes are on the way. I am well aware of the vast revenue that is generated by the sale of petrol and diesel, road tax sales tax and all the rest of it. Its a stark choice either we change the way we do things or the eco system on the Earth is going to collapse, that is the choice we have, whats the point of arguing about it.
I would not worry to much about the government getting its money it will find a way.
A very humorous reply. The earth has not collapsed for millions of years so why should it start to collapse now? Previously the air was a lot more polluted than it is now. What about all the active volcanoes on planet earth spewing out noxious gases currently every day? In one day a volcano spews out more harmful gases than all the vehicles in the EU spew out in a year!
Yes we need to recycle and avoid spewing out smoke from factories but why is it always the motorist that is being targeted.
Currently we have a bunch of idiots in London demonstrating against climate change because they are too stupid tom realise that climate change has been happening for millions of years and will continue to happen for millions of years!
I am wondering how they all got to London as they certainly did not walk. Also I wonder how many of them live in homes that use heating, furniture etc and how many of them have Smartphones imported by air from the Far East!
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For all the climate change doubters, there is a David Attenborough program on tomorrow nights TV that is going to be an eye opener for a lot of folks. I obviously haven't seen it yet but my bet would be that even the moist sceptical doubters will have a change of mind after seeing it. For anyone who wants to see the programme its called Climate Change The Facts BBC One 9PM Thursday.
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Quote: Originally posted by dimbles on 17/4/2019
For all the climate change doubters, there is a David Attenborough program on tomorrow nights TV that is going to be an eye opener for a lot of folks. I obviously haven't seen it yet but my bet would be that even the moist sceptical doubters will have a change of mind after seeing it. For anyone who wants to see the programme its called Climate Change The Facts BBC One 9PM Thursday.
Post last edited on 17/04/2019 09:40:37
I used to admire Attenborough until I came across one of his planet earth programs where he described an area where I had lived. His descriptions and geography were so far out it was laughable as with the exception of one segment of the program I had been to all the places he described. I do still watch his programs but take no notice of what he sprouts out his mouth as I am not sure if it is correct or not!
For goodness sake climate change has been around still day one and is not a new thing, but no doubt he will try and convince us that we are all to blame and that the earth is entering another Ice Age etc. How do you think he manages to stay in the public eye!
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Quote: Originally posted by dimbles on 17/4/2019
I used to admire Attenborough until I came across one of his planet earth programs where he described an area where I had lived. His descriptions and geography were so far out it was laughable as with the exception of one segment of the program I had been to all the places he described. I do still watch his programs but take no notice of what he sprouts out his mouth as I am not sure if it is correct or not!
For goodness sake climate change has been around still day one and is not a new thing, but no doubt he will try and convince us that we are all to blame and that the earth is entering another Ice Age etc. How do you think he manages to stay in the public eye!
I have also known Attenborough to get things wrong in particular with regards to Africa, that was once my home ,that in itself does not change anything.
At one phase of my life I was a navigator on a boat and witnessed for myself how things are changing very rapidly one example is hurricanes forming in the South Atlantic something that has never been known before another is the frequency and intensity of hurricanes in the North Atlantic there was a time when it was only possible for them to form at a certain time of the year because the sea temperature was to low ,the sea temperature has now risen allowing them to form all year round.
Its common knowledge that the Earths climate changes over time, that is a totally different thing to whats happening today.
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