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Subject Topic: Planning objection...Help please. Post Reply Post New Topic
20/5/2019 at 2:36pm
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Do we have any planning officers on here? I really could do with a little advice.
We live in an area of single storey detached bungalows There are around forty in all. Over the past forty years not one bungalow has been allowed to raise the ridge height as it would not be in keeping with surrounding properties.Owners have had to have single storey extensions.
Last year a planning application was put forward for a large two storey house to be built where a bungalow now stands,Sixteen objections were received and the application was refused.
Another application has now been submitted for a house of the same size but slightly different, It is still two storey and massive. At least twelve objections have been received, The main objections are , scale and mass of property and the height, and not fitting in with the street scene.The bungalows are close together. Other concerns were loss of privacy, overshadowing, badgers nesting in valley next to proposed build and original bungalow affected by subsidence.The occupants of all the other small bungalows bar one are over sixty five.
We have spoken to our councillor and the planning officer( different one to last year) and the plans this year are likely to be approved.If they are recommended for approval they are going to the local planning committee.
We cannot understand why it was refused last year, nothing has really altered re mass and height but now it looks as though it will be passed.
What else are we able to do? One man in the planning office makes the decision. It seems odd that it was refused last year on the basis of height and mass and not in keeping with the surrounding properties. Nothing has changed re these but now it looks as though it is going to be passed. The mind boggles!


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Sory but you are going to have to get used to the new system.

1. place planning with local council ...result declined
2 appeal to the borough/county council ....result declined
3 appeal to any body or council that has any knowledge of the local area...result declined
4 appeal to the Secretary of State....approved and costs awarded to the appellant.

At least that is the system in Essex.


20/5/2019 at 5:48pm
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You need to scrutinise the current local plan for any relevent policies. It'll be online. It may also help to see the Minutes of the committee that refused it last year - they're a public document, should be online.
Loss of privacy would get covered by there being no upper windows looking into gardens or bedrooms. There is no right to light, sadly, so the overshadowing argument will carry no weight. Subsidence is not a material consideration - my FIL's estate of bungalows were mostly all subject to mining subsidence, mostly all demolished & rebuilt as 2 storey houses. Badgers won't be affected, it's not a new plot in their field.
Sounds like a determined developer, who hopes to address the reasons for refusal last year. I would never suggest bribery or nepotism, of course. Just the water drip wearing away on a department that has to meet deadlines. Frustrating, but worth fighting - scrutinise the local plan (including the maps) & I hope you can find a policy or two to support your case.


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I used to own a bungalow and it had a totally private garden due to a six foot fence all round. Then my neighbour decided he wanted a dormer in the roof which would overlook our garden. I objected but the planners allowed it anyway based on the fact other bungalows in the area had dormers. I chickened out of sunbathing naked and flashing my posterior to the neighbours!

I now live in a council bungalow which was in a fairly quiet cul-de-sac. It is a sheltered bungalow scheme for the elderly who just want a bit of peace and quiet in their old age. They decided to build a small housing association estate at the back of the bungalows on what was a green field. The planners not only allowed it but also allowed the access road to go straight through the cul-de-sac, so we are now on quite a busy through road. The access road could have gone through another housing association estate without touching the bungalows but it is a different housing association so was not allowed.

Planners have no consideration for people at all and will do whatever they think best, easiest and cheapest, regardless of how much hassle people have to endure. In building the estate we had constant mess and large lorries and machinery up and down the road. The road is now full of potholes and the council won't do anything about it. They don't give a damn!


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You Definitely need to review the refusal notice from last time.

Go to the local Council planning portal and search by address or application number.

If it was refused for major policy issues it shouldn't go through, unless policy has changed.

However if it was refused for some technical issues which have now been addressed it may be more difficult.


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20/5/2019 at 7:22pm
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I think the problem is Bob, that what suits one person angers another. The people who live in that new estate probably love it and are glad to be housed, but I can see how it would annoy those who were already there.

We live in an area where people are desperate for homes, but many of those who live here don't want any more homes built. Who do the planners please, and who do they annoy? Glad I don't have to make that choice, but a choice will have to be made.


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20/5/2019 at 7:43pm
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These are the reasons for refusal last year were:

1. The proposed enlargements to the roof of the bungalow arising from an increase in its ridge height, and the introduction of a dormer extension would, by virtue of their cumulative height, scale, bulk and massing, result in a dominant and disproportionate addition to the host dwelling. The excessive enlargement of the roof space would not be subservient to the existing bungalow and would result in a top-heavy appearance to the building which would be incompatible with the character of the host dwelling and would have a harmful impact on the appearance of the street scene. The proposal fails to improve the character and quality of the area and is therefore contrary to the requirements of policies 9 and 20 of the Joint Core Strategy and Development Management Policies Development Plan Document and paragraphs 58 and 64 of the National Planning Policy Framework.
2. By reason of its scale, massing and its position in relation to xxxxxxxxxxthe proposed increase in ridge height and additional windows on the rear elevation will result in undue overlooking of xxxxxxxxxcccwhich would be detrimental to the amenities of the occupiers of that property. The proposal is therefore be contrary to Policy 9 of the Joint Core Strategy and

Development Management Policies Development Plan Document.
Applied Policies:
The decision has been taken having regard to the policies and proposals in the xxxxxxxDevelopment Plan, and to all relevant material considerations including Supplementary Planning information, and any representations made as a result of the notification and consultation process. This advice is only intended as a summary of the reasons for the decision. For further details please see the report in the application file.
Policy 9 Local Environment Policy 20 Design
Statement and Informative Notes:
1. Statement in accordance with Article 35 of the Town and Country Planning (Development Management Procedure) (England) Order 2015 (as amended)
The proposed development would not improve the economic, social and environmental conditions of the area and therefore does not comprise sustainable development. There were no solutions to the scheme, or conditions which could reasonably have been imposed to make the development acceptable. It was therefore not possible to approve the application. The Local Planning Authority has therefore implemented the requirement in Paragraphs 186-187 of the NPPF.
2. This application has been assessed against the following plans: Proposed Side Elevation/Proposed Front Elevation; Proposed Side Elevation/ Proposed Rear Elevation; Proposed Ground floor Plan/ Proposed First Floor Plan.


20/5/2019 at 8:47pm
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Whatever "policies" your council quote are worthless, and nothing but a sop to try and silence residents versus business.
Forty years of battling with our local Planning Department and Planning Committee - originally a small petrol station a mere 6 metres from our lounge (just about tolerable), in place of a landscaped entrance (15 metres away), which over time and numerous "redevelopments" and a change of ownership, is now a supermarket (with petrol station attached). The size, area and height of all structures have increased by approximately 80%, which has been exacerbated by increased height of ground level.
The Council's "policy" states that proposals that "impact on" or "are detrimental to social amenities i.e. affect noise/views are not to be approved....."
...But when push come to shove, "the policy is merely a guideline...."
In my case, the owners of the site were originally Total Oil; the current owners are (IMO) complete bASDArds - who from day one have flouted and ignored the minimal conditions that were attached to their 'approved' proposals.
As I have over the years proven (by documentary and photographic evidence) that both the Planning department and the two big companies have consistently lied, I now believe that my council and planning department are and have been for many years totally and utterly (at least morally) corrupt - a view that is held by everyone that I know in our area, and the local media who (front page, two years apart) blamed the site as the "neighbours from hell".

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Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 20/5/2019
I think the problem is Bob, that what suits one person angers another. The people who live in that new estate probably love it and are glad to be housed, but I can see how it would annoy those who were already there.

We live in an area where people are desperate for homes, but many of those who live here don't want any more homes built. Who do the planners please, and who do they annoy? Glad I don't have to make that choice, but a choice will have to be made.




I wasn't complaining about the houses being built but the fact that the planners allowed the access road to go straight through the middle of the sheltered housing scheme which was previously a quiet and safe cul-de-sac for elderly people, when they could very easily have taken the access road through an existing estate right next door to the new estate, without causing the younger residents there any problems.

The heavy lorries and plant have seriously damaged the existing road and some of the pavement but the Highways department are refusing to repair it on the grounds that it is not a danger to the public (the potholes are deeper that a bicycle tyre and could have a cyclist off as well as damaging car tyres). The new estate of course has nicely tarmacked roads!

Incidentally, just before the recent local elections, when a local councillor came round canvassing, I pointed out the holes to him. His advice was for me to make the holes bigger, put a tennis ball into them and photograph them and then the council would have to check them out and possibly repair them. When I pointed out that I was a retired PC and making the holes bigger would be criminal damage he shut up...that is local councillors for you!



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I sympathise completely Bob, I was just pointing out that often decisions have to be made that will please some and upset others, but those decisions still have to be made.

Regarding the through road, I suspect that was about cost. It may have been cheaper to take the route they did, so that is what they went for.

Regarding the pot-holes, that is a different matter entirely. Kick up a big fuss! You don't need to do anything to the holes except photograph them and make a lot of noise about them. A few damage claims would certainly help. Pot-holes can and do cause a lot of damage to vehicles, and as you say, they can cause serious injuries to cyclists and even pedestrians.



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Reading the refusal it appears your statement:

"Last year a planning application was put forward for a large two storey house to be built where a bungalow now stands".

appears not be the the facts of the situation.

The refusal indicates the application was for significant modifications to an existing bungalow, including the addition of a dorma roof. Major alterations to existing structures can look terrible and it appears this was such a case and refusal was for this, not necessarily because the new development would be two storeys, but because the mass and height of the additions to an existing structure were out of keeping with the area.

If the new application addresses the original concerns (by for example demolishing the bungalow and building a new house), if the design is right it may well get permission.

A friend died and the bungalow where he lived was demolished. There are now three very elegant houses on the plot.


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A dormer bungalow is still a bungalow.

It does not become a 2 storey house unless the roof is above the upper habitable floor.


21/5/2019 at 10:41pm
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The walls and roof are being raised.
Thank you all for your views. We can only object and see what happens.


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A bit like S G Thomas ,I heard from a good source that if local planners refuse ,it goes to appeal and man from ministry approves it as govt wants more houses.Local Council can’t afford to challenge.

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whats this on the news about the planning laws being relaxed .bigger extentions ect


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Quote: Originally posted by julia21 on 26/5/2019
whats this on the news about the planning laws being relaxed .bigger extentions ect



That relaxation has been in place some time but has now been formally into planning departments rules. However it doesn't change the guidelines that planning departments work by on other issue.

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