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PersonCapt Lightning
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Just got our council tax bill incl. water and sewrage for the coming year. It's up £130 a year. I wonder how much services will be cut too!

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Our Council Tax has gone up £13 a month (over ten months) so 5.2%. Our water and sewerage is bill separately and meter based. I suppose inevitable given the Central Government grant seems always to be lowered?

David


PersonBernie47
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Quote: Originally posted by Capt Lightning on 14/3/2024
Just got our council tax bill incl. water and sewrage for the coming year. It's up £130 a year. I wonder how much services will be cut too!


Here in the Scottish Borders the council charge has been frozen and the only increase is in the Scottish Water portion of the tax.

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I don't think people would mind paying more if the services they are paying for are being delivered but the true fact is that in recent years the rates and bills have increased dramatically but the services have dramatically declined. If you take the water companies for example, the extra money you pay for good quality drinking water and the maintenance of rivers hasn't been invested like they promised but has gone to the numerous share holders of the companies in extortionate profits.


Personiank01
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Quote: Originally posted by tango55 on 14/3/2024
I don't think people would mind paying more if the services they are paying for are being delivered but the true fact is that in recent years the rates and bills have increased dramatically but the services have dramatically declined. If you take the water companies for example, the extra money you pay for good quality drinking water and the maintenance of rivers hasn't been invested like they promised but has gone to the numerous share holders of the companies in extortionate profits.


The extra money you are paying is mainly going towards increased wages. If they don't pay higher wages everyone goes on strike.


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Quote: Originally posted by iank01 on 15/3/2024
Quote: Originally posted by tango55 on 14/3/2024
I don't think people would mind paying more if the services they are paying for are being delivered but the true fact is that in recent years the rates and bills have increased dramatically but the services have dramatically declined. If you take the water companies for example, the extra money you pay for good quality drinking water and the maintenance of rivers hasn't been invested like they promised but has gone to the numerous share holders of the companies in extortionate profits.


The extra money you are paying is mainly going towards increased wages. If they don't pay higher wages everyone goes on strike.


You obviously didn't see the ITV programme with Robert Peston as the topic of water companies was discussed on the show. Feargal Sharkey has been doing some research and on the graph that was shown to TV viewers clearly indicates that the profits made in the last few years for chief executives and share holders have escalated significantly. I disagree as the evidence confirms that it's not paid out in higher wages for employees.


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Our council is putting the council tax up by 5% I think. Paying more for less is becoming a way of life, sadly. as well as rising costs (fuel and other), part of the problem is how the government allocates money to councils, but part of the problem is also that some councils, mine included, seem unable to organise a drinking session in a brewery and have a bad case of warped priorities. *sigh*

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Personiank01
15/3/2024 at 12:40pm
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Quote: Originally posted by tango55 on 15/3/2024
You obviously didn't see the ITV programme with Robert Peston as the topic of water companies was discussed on the show. Feargal Sharkey has been doing some research and on the graph that was shown to TV viewers clearly indicates that the profits made in the last few years for chief executives and share holders have escalated significantly. I disagree as the evidence confirms that it's not paid out in higher wages for employees.


A chief executive is still an employee of the company. Shareholders are probably companies that pay people their pensions.


PersonColin21
15/3/2024 at 1:26pm
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Quote: Originally posted by iank01 on 15/3/2024
Quote: Originally posted by tango55 on 14/3/2024
I don't think people would mind paying more if the services they are paying for are being delivered but the true fact is that in recent years the rates and bills have increased dramatically but the services have dramatically declined. If you take the water companies for example, the extra money you pay for good quality drinking water and the maintenance of rivers hasn't been invested like they promised but has gone to the numerous share holders of the companies in extortionate profits.


The extra money you are paying is mainly going towards increased wages. If they don't pay higher wages everyone goes on strike.


Not really surprising is it? Despite wage increases prices are still going up more, so wages aren't keeping up. Neither is the state pension despite the so-called triple-lock. I keep very accurate records of income and expenditure, and my state pension is now only worth about 80% of what it was worth when I retired 10 years ago. It's certainly no wonder that we have a cost of living crisis.


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The system is built so that those earning the least will always struggle. When Tesco (other supermarkets are available) price a packet of pasta, they don't work out what it cost them, apply a decent profit and sell it at that price. They work out what people will pay for the pasta, and price it at that, making huge profit if possible. When the comparatively lower paid get pay rises as has been happening for a few years now, the price people are prepared to pay for their pasta goes up a little, and so therefore does the price. Nothing to do with the cost of the product. Large pay rises for the lower paid => inflation, it has always been thus, and the follow-on from that is that prices rise to consume the pay rises.


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Quote: Originally posted by arthurdent on 15/3/2024
The system is built so that those earning the least will always struggle. When Tesco (other supermarkets are available) price a packet of pasta, they don't work out what it cost them, apply a decent profit and sell it at that price. They work out what people will pay for the pasta, and price it at that, making huge profit if possible. When the comparatively lower paid get pay rises as has been happening for a few years now, the price people are prepared to pay for their pasta goes up a little, and so therefore does the price. Nothing to do with the cost of the product. Large pay rises for the lower paid => inflation, it has always been thus, and the follow-on from that is that prices rise to consume the pay rises.


At the moment supermarkets are taking advantage of our gullibility and have introduced shrinkflation. Same size package with an increase, but less contents i.e. Yorkshire tea used to be 240 teabags for about £5 now it is 210 teabags at £6.50!


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That's been going on for years. Dad, who died in 1993, used to comment "new high price, new small size".


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I was noting the other day, that a letter arrived with my new west sussex council tax. Just wondering why the envelope was marked Milton Keynes city council.


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Our Scottish Govt has introduced a council tax freeze for 2024-25.
However, “It is anticipated that the equivalent of 79.5 full-time equivalent posts will be removed.”
No knowing what these 80 people were doing.

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Minimum wage has gone up nearly 10%. Then those above need around the same to maintain differential. Water supply should not be in private ownership IMO.


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Quote: Originally posted by Fiona W on 17/3/2024
Our Scottish Govt has introduced a council tax freeze for 2024-25.
However, “It is anticipated that the equivalent of 79.5 full-time equivalent posts will be removed.”
No knowing what these 80 people were doing.


There may not be staff in those posts, they could be vacancies on a structure that will be removed.



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