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19/4/2013 at 7:22pm
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Looking for advice and inspiration!  We own a 56 plate X trail. Just had to have new clutch and DMF.  On our first trip out with the van we had to be recovered by the RAC. Took it back to the Clutch garage..... they said it just needed adjusting, which they did and it appears to be ok now. However it has totally lowered our confidence and we are dreading towing again in a couple of weeks time. We have discussed for hours ... do we get a smaller car (not 4x4), less epensive to run as we only really use the xtrail to tow.... not as a run around, we use my car. Do we get a lighter van too. Trouble is I love my van a Swift Fairway, fixed bed etc it has MIRO 1254kg and MTPLM 1404 kg.  Could anyone suggest a car that will tow this adequately...we feel utterly confused!!!

Many thanks to anyone who can help.



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19/4/2013 at 7:50pm
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Ask the garage to explain exactly what went wrong with their repair & why? No car will be any good with a substandard repair. I bet it wern't repaired by a Nissan garage, was it? If you replace this car with another one of same age it might be worse. You really need to get to the bottom of what went wrong so you know it has been fixed properly this time.

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19/4/2013 at 8:01pm
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Tentz - no not a Nissan garage a Clutch Repair centre. They said the clutch is fine needed an adjustment. RAC man said we should have bedded it in before trying to tow!!  Shame they didn't tell us that!

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19/4/2013 at 8:12pm
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Well yes, a fair point. New cars are supposed to do a 1000miles before they tow. These clutch repair centres don't really have a very good reputation & one would not expect a clutch to fail in the way described. I would not have any confidence in a clutch fitted by Mr Clutch etc, they have been on Watchdog.

I would give it a chance though, get a 1000miles onto it before towing again & see how it goes, but if you do out the car it will be because of the repair not the car so you might as well get anothe X trail if you do change, but it would probably be cheaper to have this clutch replaced if it fails again, by a main dealer workshop who will do a guaranteed job with oe parts rather than change your car/caravan.


19/4/2013 at 8:25pm
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Firstly, each time you get rescued by the same recovery company it gets recorded and they do this because if they get called out several times in one year they will eventually charge you for any recovery. It used to be three times in any one year but this may have now changed. Therefore in this instance as the fault was not your own and down to the garage that replaced the clutch and DMF and have admitted liability that the clutch just needed adjusting then basically you have received unfair recovery penalty points so I should contact the RAC and clarify this and if a report is required from the garage in support of this then you will find that the RAC should eliminate the penalty on these grounds giving you a free record for the rest of the year. Regarding bedding in of the clutch prior to towing tbh I have never heard of, only running an engine in for the first thousand miles from new so the only suggestion is that if you have been towing with too lower revs this can cause the DMF to malfunction according to posts I have read on this forum so I now try to drive around 1700 to 2000 revs in my diesel when the caravan is in tow in respect of this advice. I have not owned a Nissan X-Trail myself but people I have spoken to who have owned them have nothing but praise for them and considered not only to be reliable but also very good regarding fuel consumption in relation to other 4x4's so if your X-Trail is now fixed and worthy of doing the job of towing then I would stick with it rather than change if possible. 


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19/4/2013 at 9:29pm
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If your experienced at towing and are sure your not riding the clutch then its just one of those things.

If you have changed from an auto to a manual or maybe slipping the clutch too mutch then maybe a couple of hours with an instructor on a towing course?



19/4/2013 at 9:32pm
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Tentz and tang 55- thankyou both for your prompt replies. The clutch is under warranty so they checked without hesitation. Under the warranty we had them check it at 500 miles - it was fine. So at 600 miles we did our first tow. Unfortunateley, there was a huge smash on the M6 and we were stuck in a jam for about 2 hours!!  I don't expect that did it much good either - constantly using it every 5 mins!! Thanks for advice re RAC. I had thoght about that myself - but our renewal is due again in May so hopefully that counts as a new year. We have been members for over 20 years and only used them 3 times so our record is good, we always keep our cars maintained. It has only done 54000 miles and we wondered if it had been driven badly before us, we have had it for 2 years and toured Scotland last year - no problem. We had planned 3 weeks in France in June but now we feel scared that this may happen again! Thanks for your tips  -very useful.

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19/4/2013 at 9:38pm
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Grampian 91 - we have towed for 26 years and never had an automatic. Think we chose a bum car as X trails have a good reputation as a tow car. Luck of the draw I suppose unless you are mechanically minded.

We did think about going back to the good old Mondeo !! Never an ounce of trouble, but we thought it was on the light side.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.



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20/4/2013 at 7:41am
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which Mondeo do you have?

when I looked at X trails I was surprised to find that some models were actually lighter in weight at 1525 kgs than my mk3 Mondeo estate at 1547 kgs. My van is 1404kgs mptlm and tows perfectly with my car..

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20/4/2013 at 9:28pm
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Rich - we don't have a Mondeo now , that was the car we had before the x trail

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21/4/2013 at 8:49am
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Ahh...

realised that after I read your post again.


21/4/2013 at 9:04am
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I think you've just answered the reason for it failing, bring stuck in traffic towing is definately going to push most clutches to their limits, new engines and clutches are different to years ago and don't need running in they're ready to work

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Doing as little as possible for as much as possible...


21/4/2013 at 12:22pm
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Sometimes in start stop traffic, you can overheat the clutch and lose drive. It is usually ok when it cools down.
You wouldn't believe how much easier it is with an automatic


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I cannot fathom what need adjusted, the clutch is self adjusting and hydraulic, the only thing I can think of is they never bled the hydraulic system correctly.

I f it needs to go back again in the near future, get them to fit a single clutch system free of charge they are actually half the price of a DMF  or less in most cases, then you will have no more problems

How old is your van???



21/4/2013 at 5:08pm
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Skoda Bob - when we took it back the mechanic drove it and said the clutch pedal felt high. From what we saw he was in the footwell of the car and adjusted the pedal. Funnily enough the mechanic who recovered us drove the car off the truck and up our drive. He passed comment too about the clutch pedal. We managed to drive it to the clutch fitting garage (5miles) and it was fine - expect it hadn't got very hot. We have been driving it around locally and touchwood it's fine now. We will see when we come to tow in a few weeks. When it malfunctioned when we were away it felt like the clutch was slipping - the engine raced and then juddered going up a slight incline even in a low gear, we were not towing at the time but were in the Yorkshire Dales going up and down, using clutch plenty!!  Neither me or hubby know much about car engines and rely on the "experts" to look after us!!

 

Our caravan is 2009 Swift Fairway.

Thanks for your reply



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21/4/2013 at 5:59pm
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If the pedal was too high it would tend to slip, if it is a hydraulic clutch then a high pedal would not allow excess fluid back to the reservoir. This would make slip even worse as the clutch heats up



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