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Hi
can you help me are there any plans to change the car license for towing again. I passed my test 1987. But some one had told me that DVLA are going to remove the category for towing more than 3500 tones.
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From 19/01/2013 the EU brought in a retrospective rule for ALL B+E licence holders which is that they cannot to a trailer with a MAM of over 3500 kgs

Not many know about the retrospective bit because it was somewhat hidden in the small print

As it affects so few then no much has been asked about it

Those with pre 1997 licences have a C1+E which covers a trailer over 3500 with a B vehicle

That C1+E with 107 code has an upper total plated GVW/MAM limit of 8250 kgs

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Thanks it was my brother that was telling me I had to do a test but it terns out if you drive and get paid for it you need to


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hi rog . but c1+e is for vehicles over 3,500kg gvw .b is for vehicles under 3.500kg gvw .

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Quote: Originally posted by vwalan on 18/5/2014
hi rog . but c1+e is for vehicles over 3,500kg gvw .b is for vehicles under 3.500kg gvw .


I know that but the EU has decided that for a 3.5 GVW vehicle towing a trailer over 3.5 tonnes which requires more than over-run brakes the driver must have C1+E

It seems they have decided in their wisdom to put the emphasis on the trailer as well as the vehicle

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Quote: Originally posted by treborminty on 18/5/2014
Thanks it was my brother that was telling me I had to do a test but it terns out if you drive and get paid for it you need to


Getting paid or not has absolutely nothing to do with what licence is required



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think your wrong . many mini artics are based on b+e licences . many are down plated to 3.500 and keep the original train weights .some upto 11/12ton and driven on b+e
there was a thing about pre 97 drivers keeping the old classes . it never changed as far as i know .
hope i,m right . ha ha .

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Quote: Originally posted by vwalan on 19/5/2014
think your wrong . many mini artics are based on b+e licences . many are down plated to 3.500 and keep the original train weights .some upto 11/12ton and driven on b+e
there was a thing about pre 97 drivers keeping the old classes . it never changed as far as i know .
hope i,m right . ha ha .


If those artic trailers have a plated MAM of over 3500 then a C1+E is now required by LAW

The problem is that those who passed B+E after 1996 are not likely to be aware of this law !!

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hi, just rang 0300 7906801 and was told pre 97 licences will not be loosing the right to tow heavier trailers . mind these will have to be semi trailers .
when asked they said its not retrospective .
b+e could be upto 11/12 ton .
this is a clause that does allow 70yr olds to have large outfits like fifth wheelers with no medical.

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Quote: Originally posted by vwalan on 19/5/2014
hi, just rang 0300 7906801 and was told pre 97 licences will not be loosing the right to tow heavier trailers . mind these will have to be semi trailers .
when asked they said its not retrospective .
b+e could be upto 11/12 ton .
this is a clause that does allow 70yr olds to have large outfits like fifth wheelers with no medical.


Ask them for a legal answer via their email contact like I have

My info is from a legal expert who read the small print on the EU directive not DVLA so I have now decided to ask the DVLA for a legal ruling - will post their reply when I get it

If I fail to get it then I will ask via my MP

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I have to admit that reading the directives as shown on the internet I cannot find any retrospective info ....

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have sent off . be interesting what they reply with.


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I GOT A REPLY FROM DVLA ........


Thank you for your email received on 19/5/14. Your email reference number is 2075834.

We cannot comment on individual driving licences via email. We can however provide detailed information on driving licence categories that may be found on your licence and what these categories may allow you to drive.

If you would like information on other driving licence categories, please visit www.gov.uk/browse/driving alternatively, if you want to discuss what vehicles your licence allows you to drive you can call our Customer Enquiries Section on 0300 790 6801, Monday to Friday 8.00am to 7.00pm and Saturday 8.00am to 2.00pm.



Cars with and without trailers:



Category B - Motor vehicles with a Maximum Authorised Mass (MAM) not exceeding 3500kg and designed and constructed for the carriage of no more than eight passenger seats, with a trailer up to 750kg. (If trailer is over 750kg, the combination MAM must not exceed 3500kg.

Category BE - Combinations of vehicles consisting of a vehicle in category B and a trailer, where the combination does not come within category B, and the MAM of the trailer does not exceed 3500kg


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hi i,m still waiting for the email. when i spoke to them they told me it wasnt retrospective . that pre 97 drivers would keep their rights and 97-2013 drivers that had took the trailer test would also keep the rights .
their site doesnt seem to mention it . it did used to.
what you show there is like the new dot gov site .
life gets harder doesnt it .

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Dear Mr Dawe



Thank you for your email received on 19/5/14. Your email reference number is 2075986.



We cannot comment on your individual driving licence via email. We can however provide detailed information on driving licence categories that may be found on your licence and what these categories may allow you to drive.



If you would like information on other driving licence categories, please visit www.gov.uk/browse/driving alternatively, if you want to discuss what vehicles your licence allows you to drive you can call our Customer Enquiries Section on 0300 790 6801, Monday to Friday 8.00am to 7.00pm and Saturday 8.00am to 2.00pm.



Category BE - Combinations of vehicles consisting of a vehicle in category B and a trailer, where the combination does not come within category B, and the MAM of the trailer does not exceed 3500kg *** (minimum age 17*).



***if you have held full category BE before 19th January 2013, there is no upper weight limit for the trailer, however we would recommend you contact Transport Technology and Standards on 0300 330 3000 to establish what weight you can safely tow.



Do not reply to this email. If you wish to contact us again about this response then please use our Reply Form or copy and paste the following URL in to your browser:


heres my reply from them . seems i was correct.

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Not got the 2013 bit on my reply ... think I will go via my MP for a legal ruling from the DFT



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