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Subject Topic: How do you slow down when towing?
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21/4/2016 at 1:06pm
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OH and I have had some absolutely blazing rows about this, as a result, I haven't let him tow purely because of the way he drives.

He's not a bad driver, he just drives every vehicle as though it's a racing car; using the gears to slow down when approaching a corner or junction rather than the brakes. Even though he's currently got an automatic, he's overriding the gearbox to do this. As a result, normally he's going too fast when you get to the junction and he ends up standing on the anchors to stop. Consequently passengers have a rough ride & I'm sure if he were ever towing livestock, they'd all be on the floor within a mile of leaving home, I'm sure everything in cupboards would either be broken or on the floor by the time we got to where we are going if he tows the caravan or even if the caravan makes it there in one piece.

I've mostly towed horses, although this is my second caravan, I slow down using the brakes and only changing gear when I'm doing the correct speed for that gear, (I do select lower gears to keep the unit at a suitable speed when we're going down a significant hill) I try not to throw passengers around when I'm driving, and my horses always got back on the trailer to come home after a show.

OH says he'll be absolutely fine towing, I'm not sure I'm prepared for him to prove it with £9k worth of caravan on the back.

He also doesn't reverse off his mirrors or by looking where he's going instead he uses the reverse sensors on his car (and, despite the fact the sensors were screaming at him, managed to reverse into my car yesterday because he wasn't looking where he was going....then blamed the automatic gearbox! but that's a whole other story) How on earth can he expect to reverse a caravan using reversing sensors? It's not as if the caravan is fitted with them!

So how are you suposed to slow down or stop when towing?

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21/4/2016 at 1:32pm
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I drive and tow with an auto, if you plan ahead you can let the vehicle slow through the gearbox, I never override the gearbox except on a steep down hill.
I prefer to use the brakes when slowing for a turn apart from anything else it gives warning to following vehicle that you are slowing.

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21/4/2016 at 2:02pm
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Why do you say your o/h is not a bad driver & then go onto describe just how bad he is?

At risk of stating the blindingly obvious, when towing you drive accordingly, ie gentle acceleration & braking allowing much more distance for stopping. With an auto you don't need to change gear, it does it for you. That way you don't end up paying for expensive premature mechanical failures on your car.


21/4/2016 at 2:42pm
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Agree with you entirely. Wouldn't let him anywhere near a tow car.

In fact I don't think I'd want him to drive me anywhere if your description of his driving style is accurate.

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21/4/2016 at 5:49pm
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Just tell him it is cheaper to replace brake pads than clutch plates...he'll soon get the message.


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21/4/2016 at 5:53pm
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It sounds like you would feel safer with him driving a Motorhome rather than having a caravan in tow. If his style of driving is that he makes last minute decisions such as approaching junctions at speed etc. then sudden movements like immediate lane change (which we all often see) could well be catastrophic. Towing a caravan comes with responsibility and this is what he seems to be lacking.
However, I'm rather confused as you can't praise him one minute for being a good driver then be critical for several other issues behind the wheel because I can't decide whether that's actually a pass or a failure.


21/4/2016 at 6:46pm
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We (HGV drivers) solved this (similar) 'problem' at an ex work place with a 'non-HGV driver' manager....

A cup of HOT coffee on the dash board!

When the trucks went in for their 6 weekly check at the garage, we would be picked up by this manager, and he would driver like a nutter to get back to the yard.

One driver solved this problem by accident when he got in the car with a coffee from the garages vending machine.

Sat in the car expecting the coffee to go everywhere, but lo and behold, he drove sensibly....
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But I was taught...

Gears to go....

Brakes to slow....

Cars are fitted with disc brakes not drum brakes these days, so you don't need to rely on the gears to slow you down now...

But also, sorry if he drove like that and ended up with someone ramming him from behind because of the gearbox not slowing / stopping him etc, and him then having to stamp on the brakes...

He could be at fault, even if the person behind had left enough distance - think dash cam footage......

And as for him driving a Motorhome??

At least he'll hear the crashing of contents out of the cupboards right behind him because of his driving style

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21/4/2016 at 7:14pm
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If he ever wants to drive out of Wales, Nellie, can you post his routes and itinerary on here please.
DaveS1


21/4/2016 at 7:19pm
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i passed my test in the navy and to be honest still slow down with the gears before brakes.( just feather them so light brake lights come on ) Even with the auto box, i will place in power shift command to help control going down steep hills, weather solo or towing.
In those days you slowed down by going down the box, in fact when i passed the HGV it was part of the test to slow down via the box, and then speed up again. Plus double the clutch.
How i miss that Scammell Crusader,i even had one at the Coal Board as a low loader unit.

Know i understand this dont happen in the car test but not sure about HGV.



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21/4/2016 at 7:39pm
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I like to drive rapidly, I tow trailers for work all the time, I drive a HGV 26T lorry and from a farming background have towed livestock for years. Having recently purchased a caravan I asked the dealer about issues from towing. He told me rapid acceleration and breaking is the most likely cause of damage to the front of the caravan, esp with a big powerful jeep.

As such I treat the caravan like a cattle trailer with animals. Everything is very gentle and smooth. NOT necessarily slow, but very smooth. Leave myself loads of time to think (big gap to vehicle in front) but I still move on at the speed of most normal traffic. I just accelerate, change direction and slow down much more gently than when not towing a caravan.

I am far more gentle with the 1.2T caravan than with a over 3T plant trailer fully loaded with a well strapped down load.

When slowing down I use the breaks and gears in combination, mostly breaks but have engine in decent gear in case I want to accelerate again.

From your description of your OH driving I would not want to be in same vehicle, no matter what he is driving/towing.

Any driver who is smooth is being easy on their running gear, ALL of it and also makes being a passenger a more pleasant experience.

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21/4/2016 at 7:47pm
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Always felt that driving smoothly was the best option whether towing or not.


21/4/2016 at 7:48pm
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How due you stop a car that suffers break failure run it in to a wall jam near side wheels against kerb or use you gears and engine speed.to stop your vehicle the correct distance from the kerb.
When I took my test the examiner asked me to park at side of road without using my brakes.
Which I did he did not ask me to do a emergency stop as I was approaching a pedestrian crossing a woman came out of a shop shot straight across the crossing without looking and I did a emergency stop
He remarked well done but no need to call her a stupid bitch under your breath as I would have done. However passed first time.


21/4/2016 at 8:26pm
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Never seen the point in using engine braking instead of the brakes in everyday driving. Modern cars seem to generate little engine braking and have very good brakes. I use it going downhill, but only if car is picking up speed.

I would rather engage a gear knowing I had plenty spare revs to pull away, instead of having to change again soon afterwards.

If driving briskly I would still rely on the brakes (far more braking power than engine braking) and use my spare thinking capacity to keep safe and then make sure I was in the right gear to speed off! Means I can get to the next queue of traffic quicker.

Using heavy engine braking in normal driving is just annoying for the driver behind. Can't help but think that if someone went into the back of you, you may be accused of setting up a crash for cash scenario.

P.S. pretty much do the same towing, apart from the driving briskly


21/4/2016 at 10:44pm
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I learnt to drive a bus in the early 1970s, and was told even then that using the gears to slow down was an old fashioned idea. The bus I learnt on was a double decker with a crash gearbox, so double-de-clutch up and down the gears. It had vacuum assisted drum brakes.

I was told, use the brakes to slow down, then change into the appropriate gear. On the test I had to change all the way up the box, then all the way down again, but this was not to slow down, but to prove I could do it. I was expected to use the brakes to slow to a suitable speed for each gear-change when coming down the box.

On a bus you may have standing passengers, so smoothly with everything is the way. No harsh braking except in an emergency. This is the way I still drive, whatever I am driving.

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21/4/2016 at 10:57pm
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Quote: Originally posted by GWTE on 21/4/2016
Always felt that driving smoothly was the best option whether towing or not.



I agree, It reduces stress, wear & tear on the equipment, yourself & passengers too,

Dave

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Teach a man to fish and you can get rid of him for a whole weekend.



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