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Hi,

I’m very new to caravanning so just want to make sure I’m doing everything right!

My car has a Max Permissible Mass of 2295kg and my caravan has a MTPLM of 1550kg which puts me over 3.5T. I have therefore taken and passed my B+E licence so that is fine.

My query is about the weight my car can legally tow. I’m looking at a couple of options . One car on the V5 says it can pull a max of 1500kg. My question is ........ if the police stopped me, would they look at the MTPLM weight of 1550kg and say it’s illegal, or would the go off the weight of the caravan at the time?

So if we where careful and made sure we didn’t load the caravan above 1500kg, would that be legal or do they just go off the MTPLM regardless of how heavy it is actually whilst being towed?

Hope I’ve explained that right?!

Thanks
Ben


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It's all about the plated weights, not what the caravan weighs at the time, unless it's over weight


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so they would look at both the car and caravan weights, and seeing both vin plates would stop your holidays there and then and there would be a nice hefty fine awaiting you within a few days after - short answer illegal


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Thanks guys, so just to confirm...

My wife’s car states on V5 that it can tow a max of 1500kg. The MTPLM of the van is is 1550kg so even if we had nothing in the van (and therefore the van would definitely weigh less then 1500kg), because the MTPLM is 1550kg, we would be towing illegally?





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Quote: Originally posted by BenR1 on 29/7/2020
Thanks guys, so just to confirm...

My wife’s car states on V5 that it can tow a max of 1500kg. The MTPLM of the van is is 1550kg so even if we had nothing in the van (and therefore the van would definitely weigh less then 1500kg), because the MTPLM is 1550kg, we would be towing illegally?






Yes correct, it doesn't matter what the van weighs at the time, the Police and the DSA (VOSA) will go by what the plated weight states, so yes you would be illegal


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The figure for your car that you need to look for is the Mass,(weight), in Service on your V5 document. G.

If you decide to follow the 85% guide line, it will be 85% of that weight.

A caravan with an MTPLM of 1,550 kgs, would need a car with a mass in service of 1,824 Kgs to adhere to the 85 % guide line.


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Thanks guys. That rules the wife’s car out then, my car will be fine so will just have to use that all the time.

Thanks again for the advice. Great website this, so glad I found it!


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Good to read that your happy with the advice.


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Sorry but I must disagree with the answers that Ben has been given.

The plated weights on the car and caravan indicate the maximum weights that are permitted. These would only be used for checking licence requirements. As he has a B+E licence that is not a problem with his current car and caravan.

If the police are checking towing weight limits they must check actual weights and not potential weights. 'The car and loaded trailer must not weigh over the weight shown on the car manufacturer's plates'.(GOV.UK
website) To check this they would need to use a weighbridge. So legally you would be able to tow up to the car's maximum permissible towing limit as indicated on its manufacturer's plate, even if the trailer's potential limit is greater.


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The simple solution would be to have your caravan down plated, They could reduce it downby 50kgs, i think they charge about £50 for it.

cheaper than changing your car

Bessie   


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Quote: Originally posted by HumberWolf on 29/7/2020

To check this they would need to use a weighbridge.





I don't think they would, they have portable thingies to do the job.

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Yes blueexpo, you are correct. They use a portable weighbridge. Without it they would not be able to bring a prosecution for weight related offences.


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Quote: Originally posted by HumberWolf on 29/7/2020
Yes blueexpo, you are correct. They use a portable weighbridge. Without it they would not be able to bring a prosecution for weight related offences.



We have one at work,
the motorway has loads of weighing point sunk into the lanes as well

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Hi Ben

I'm afraid that, from a purely legal perspective, all of the answers above are wrong.

Legally, there are only three weights that matter (and none of these can be exceeded):

- The maximum permissible weight of your car
- The MTPLM of your caravan
- The maximum permissible gross train weight of your car and trailer combined.

Your car's towing limit is calculated by subtracting its maximum permissible weight from the gross train weight (i.e. it assumes the car is fully loaded). But if your car's towing limit is 1500kg, you could still legally tow 1550kg provided that you ensured that the car was loaded to at least 50kg less than its maximum capacity.

However, from a practical and sensible perspective, this approach is likely to be problematic.

Firstly, short of physically weighing the entire contents of both your car and caravan, how will you actually know the weights of either to within 50kg. The food and drink you buy during a big supermarket shop could weigh more than that.

Secondly, the towing limits of cars are set by the manufactuers based on the weight of a commerical trailer - not a high-sided caravan - that the car can physically move from a standing hill start. You're asking a lot of the car if you plan to tow a caravan (which will have a higher wind resistance) of that weight on a long journey, and it will inevitably struggle for performance.

The recommendation to tow at 85% of the car's kerbweight has no legal relevance whatsoever. It is purely a recommendation, which given by the two main caravanning clubs for novice towers provided that to do so is legally permissible.

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I run a fleet of vans towing 3.5 ton trailers for work, and regularly interact with vosa / dvsa. The correct answer is that firstly the 85% rule has NO legal standing, it is an advisory rule of thumb for inexperienced towers.
Secondly, Humber wolf is absolutely correct, the plated weights are the MAXIMUMS. If the caravan is not fully loaded and weighs in at 1500 kg you will be fine from a legal point of view. In fact in my experience, they wouldn’t be worried about 50 kg. One has to wonder how often those above who warn of ended journeys, massive fines etc actually interact with the authorities in question....


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In my experience, and this has absolutely no legal significance whatsoever, when I was on the road towing trailers the attitude seemed to be "if it looks ok, leave it alone." When I did a bit of light-haulage in the early 80s, one of my outfits was a Transit flatbed and flatbed trailer. Both could carry 2 tonnes. It used to make me laugh when I got waved by a test-point fully laden, and the truck behind me which was probably quite legal got pulled in. I could get 8 x 45 gallon drums on the truck and 8 on the trailer, and the whole lot looked and rode beautifully, but I doubt it was legal. Each of those drums weighed a quarter of a tonne. In 3 years I never got stopped once. Don't think I ever saw a caravan stopped either.


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