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19/4/2011 at 5:08pm
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Check the spec that came with the Hobby that should tell you its actual length

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Hobby forum is here You may well find the answers to your questions there. As I said it depends if the gas locker is included in the body length. I'm sure they will put you right.


19/4/2011 at 7:57pm
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I think the gas locker rule goes back to caravans with the locker fitted later onto the draw bar.
When reading the rules it just seems to say excluding draw bar. Nothing about the gas locker being integral to the caravan.

I wouldnt want to be in the position of having to goto court to find out which applies.

Can you measure from a side mounted gas locker halfway down the van??

More vague rules with no clear answer.



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I would have thought a Toyota high lux would have been deemed a commercial vehicle, the travelers tow hobby's with VW Passats as they are that light


19/4/2011 at 9:15pm
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Difficult sending a fine to someone with no fixed address and all named john smith.

Its the in excess of 3.5tons gross thats the issue. Then its a commercial vehicle so insuring it privately could be a problem also.



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19/4/2011 at 10:31pm
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It has been said that a VW Passat can tow a large Hobby. The law is not about what a vehicle can physically tow; the law defines what you can tow by length and width.

The definition in the Construction and Use Regulations of the overall length of a trailer makes it clear that the coupling device and draw-bar are not included in the length dimension. Forget the gas locker issue. If you have a really old caravan, where a protective box is mounted on to the front, which is supported on the draw-bar for the purpose of storage gas tanks, for example, this box is included in the overall length. If you have a van that old, of that design, then it will be less than 7m anyway. So you can only tow, with a vehicle of less than 3.5Kg, a caravan of no more than 7m in length (excluding the hitch and A frame.)

The answer is clear....the problem is, and we have this on many a thread, is that folks just don't want to see the answer, and try to run spurious arguments to justify being incorrect, or illegal.

A VW Passat can tow it.....

Big 4x4 is a commercial vehicle so thats ok to tow.......

we have even had one poster on here comment that she has never been stopped illegally towing ( a Hobby over 7 long with a car less than 3.5Kg ) so it must be ok.

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20/4/2011 at 8:50pm
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My ford ranger could tow a hobby as it was classed as commercial and insured privately


20/4/2011 at 10:55pm
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Ford ranger according to the web has a kerb weight of 1845Kg which is not 3500Kg. Does not matter what your insurers call it, its the weight that matters according to the law.

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20/4/2011 at 11:56pm
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None of the popular UK supplied double cab pickups are over 3.5tonnes gvw.


21/4/2011 at 3:49pm
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http://hobbycaravansuk.co.uk/hobby_caravan_details.php?series=Prestige&1=610%20UL

http://hobbycaravansuk.co.uk/hobby_caravan_details.php?series=Prestige&1=650%20UMFe

The 635 does not seem to be a current model, but here are the sizes for the ones bigger and smaller, so it must be about halfway between.

The 650 is 725cm body length, or 666cm without the gas box, and the 610 is 692 cm body length, or 632cm without the gas box. The fact it gives both sizes suggests to me that the "without gas box" size is used to check towability.

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21/4/2011 at 5:03pm
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I think that "without gas box" means the internal living area measurement. The 7m towing restriction is the overall length excluding the A frame.

Phil



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Hi, Been reading this with some interest,and totaly agree with Phil, To me, If gas locker is incorporated in the body shell, then I would take it as part of the overall body length (No, if's or but's ) And same if you add bike rack to rear of van ( You have increased the overall body length,as it is fixed to body of van,detachable or not, while its on there,it increases body length)Seperate gas locker not attached to main body shell, I would take that to mean Not included in overall body length,then the living area is the overall body length,If gas locker is built in to the body shell,then it is included in the length, to say anything other than that, is just trying to bend the law to suit ones needs, that is my interpretation of the law regarding towing lengths, and going by that rule i will be the right side of the law. Think the seller of the van discovered it would be illegal and sold it on,and been a bit economical with the truth.

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22/4/2011 at 8:22am
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is just trying to bend the law to suit ones needs

We have seen evidence of that on this board. Don't know if its bending the law, but I think there is a failure to understand the nuances of the law, how it is framed and works. Sometimes its easier to go with what you think is the law. Problem with that is that ignorance of the law is no defence. 

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22/4/2011 at 4:40pm
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I can imagine the police or vosa.. "so its 666 without the gas locker. OK remove the gas locker then we can measure it again."




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