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Subject Topic: Towing with new green 1.6 tdi engines??
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17/1/2012 at 8:38pm
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just got rid of a 1.6 peugeot hdi, and couldn't fault it towing did a check on what tow car and it said we would be the first to the top of aa hill, was really the best tow car i have ever owned, the problem is they come with expensive problems like dual mass flywheels and particulate filter

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15/5/2013 at 9:04pm
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Just a thought.. if you didn't know it was a small engine I'd wager that many people wouldn't be able to tell....

My company car has just been changed from a 2.0 TDi CR Passat to a manual 1.6 TDi Passat. There really is a lot less in it than you'd think.

Think back ten or so years, a 2.0 turbodiesel would be producing 110 bhp and 180 or so torques.. No we have 1.7 TDi engines making 136 bhp and 220+ torques.

It's just progress.

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15/5/2013 at 9:33pm
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Formula 1 cars produce a lot of power from a small capacity. And they blow up a lot.

Thats the issue at present. Previously 100bhp per litre was a dream. Then cars started to hit that target.

Like the 1L ecoboost engines. Reviews state its got bags of torque for such a small engine. Some fail to mention the short power band where that torque is available.

800rpm tickover, 1000, 1100, 1200, 1300, 1400rpm no power 1500 - 2200rpm   150bhp in one rush 2300rpm no power...


Wonder how many 1L ecoboost's hit 200,000 miles?






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I can't really see an issue here, a company car driver can just thrash it as hard as he likes as he is not paying the repair bills & a private buyer is sensible if he uses about half the power available & keeps things very gentle to preserve clutch & brakes so really it don't matter to any caravanner how much or little power they have.


15/5/2013 at 11:11pm
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Have a look at the figures on a Citreon c5 2.0 hdi,company car tax is lower than u might think,would also make a fine tow car,far better than a 1.6

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16/5/2013 at 7:49am
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I have a seat leon 16tdi tows my elddis no probs


16/5/2013 at 9:59am
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I had the same choice when i changed my S max last time. a lot of guys where i work swapped for the 1.6 passat for tax reasons and were banging on about how great they were and that they are saving a fortune, all them same guys try and swap back to a 2 ltr when someone leaves as they reckon the 1.6 is gutless on the motorway (no midrange power) funny the guys with the 1.6 mondeo's are still happy but given time i reckon they'll say the same as the vw drivers.

If you can get a 2 ltr you should, you never know caravans are getting heavier and you just cant be sure what youll end up with next. 1500kg for a caravan is pretty common these days, my car weighs in at 1700kgs and my van is 1500kgs can you imagine a 1.6 pulling that weight & the estate is an 20kg 

 

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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 16/5/2013
all them same guys try and swap back to a 2 ltr when someone leaves as they reckon the 1.6 is gutless on the motorway


Yes, typical company car driver attitude, 80mph down the motorway & anybody who wants to stick to legal 70mph will find Mr Rep sitting 2 inches off his rear bumper. Modern cars have too much power, not too little & coupled with drivers who only actually tow for a few days a year towing caravans that weigh almost as much as the car you have a recipe for potential disaster, really.



16/5/2013 at 1:21pm
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Yes, typical company car driver attitude, 80mph down the motorway & anybody who wants to stick to legal 70mph will find Mr Rep sitting 2 inches off his rear bumper. Modern cars have too much power, not too little & coupled with drivers who only actually tow for a few days a year towing caravans that weigh almost as much as the car you have a recipe for potential disaster, really

Tentz your opion of company car drivers is pretty low....not all cc drivers hang on your rear bumper, just the same as not all hgv drivers are bullys and use their size to boss the rds. Midrange to me is 50/60 thats what the drivers complained about lack of grunt .Now regarding 80 mph are you trying to tell me you've never done 80mph on a motorway ???

Just one last point take mr rep out of the equation and what are you left with ? parked up wagons

 

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16/5/2013 at 2:45pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Tentz on 16/5/2013
Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 16/5/2013all them same guys try and swap back to a 2 ltr when someone leaves as they reckon the 1.6 is gutless on the motorway


Yes, typical company car driver attitude, 80mph down the motorway & anybody who wants to stick to legal 70mph will find Mr Rep sitting 2 inches off his rear bumper. Modern cars have too much power, not too little & coupled with drivers who only actually tow for a few days a year towing caravans that weigh almost as much as the car you have a recipe for potential disaster, really.





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Has someone hacked your account as your usual level headed comments have become a little blinkered.

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I think the point being made here relates to op & the suggestion that the new generation low emission 1.6 diesels do not have sufficient power to tow a caravan. Well yes they do & because how fast do you need to go? If they have slightly less power what does it matter? Just change gear a bit more.

For anybody to complain that a current 1.6 diesel does not have enough power for motorway use suggests somebody who wants to go too fast....& yes 80 is the new 70. Whats the point of raising the motorway speed limit to 80 when thats what it already is? All that would do would be to raise the speed limit to 90.


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I have been looking into this myself, my firms car is a VW Golf BlueMotion 1.6 TDi 5 Door Hatch 2012.

According to the handbook the kerb weight of the car is 1318kg so to remain Legal whilst towing a caravan I must not exceed that figure which is a little confusing when the handbook also states a braked towing capability of 1400kg.

Also to adhere to the 85% rule, I would need to be towing a caravan of no more than 1120kg but of course this rule is not set in stone or a Legal requirement, it's just a sensible guideline.

So in reality I guess if I keep to a limit of 1200kg then I would still be Legal, although at 91%.

Anyway I am no expert, but I think I am getting the gist of this caravan towing malarkey.

Edit = got me numbers wrong so now changed.

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16/5/2013 at 5:01pm
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Just to update from the OP - in the end settled for a Golf 2.0 ltr diesel with Bluemotion tech. Good as it keeps my tax down (low emissions) and is super ecconomical.

Just out of interest I long since gave up jetting around the country and instead go for the best ecconomy I can get - a part from age, my allowances have diminished over the years. If I keep to 68mph I can get 72mpg outof the golf - pretty impressive!

As for towing - we have bough an old Swift Challenger 510 which at 1180kg fully loaded gives an 85% match so am hoping a good tow. First holiday on Sunday so we shall find out - plus what mpg I can manage!


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The cars max tow weight as in handbook is max weight it is considered car is capable of towing taking hill starts into account. Towing safety is up to the driver. You also have to take into account max gross train weight of car, max weight of loaded car/loaded trailer together if this is quoted in car handbook.

The 85% ratio for caravan is a suggestion taking account that large side area will catch cross winds. If you want to tow at just within car's legal weight limit then you can but keep your speed down & drive with the trucks at 56mph. Caravanners driving at 70+ plus & weaving in & out of traffic do that because they appear to forget they are towing which is easy with modern diesels. Plenty of caravanners could do with less power, not more.


16/5/2013 at 5:20pm
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Tentz it not about going too fast a 1.6 passat will do 100 + all day long but a 2ltr will be more comfortable and easier to drive i.e not going up and down the box all day. my point is the brochure looks great and yes they do what they say they will in  practice everyone that i know wishes theyd got the bigger engine model. Just the same as driving a truck more bhp less strain on the driver

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Well yes, but the trend is toward small high powered fuel efficent lower emission engines so I guess we will have to get used to them.....Ya can't beat cubes...as the Yanks used to say about big V8s, is all a bit last century...



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