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20/7/2012 at 11:20am
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Quote: Originally posted by iain.morrison3 on 20/7/2012
I think the manufactures towing limits are not directed at caravans, it is just a statement reflecting the capability of the cars components. It makes no reference to pulling something 2.3m high and 5.5m long. And I am sure the cars were never tested in this way. Pulling 2ton of stone in a lowsided trailer will actually put less strain on a car and easier to tow than a 1.5ton caravan.
85% of the book kerbside weight is the safe option for me. If the car is heavier than what the book says then that's a bonus.
Aren't those weights based on pulling them up a one in 12 incline or something. They are about as useful as manufacturers mpg figures.
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20/7/2012 at 11:24am
Location: Kent Outfit: Bailey Senator 5 Carolina
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cv01jw,
You're right .....sort of.
That information relates to holders of driving licences obtained post '97.
Those of us who passed their driving tests before that date, or who have sat the additional driving test to obtain their B+E entitlement may tow heavier units.
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20/7/2012 at 11:40am
Location: Scotland Outfit: Bailey & Mondeo
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Hi Geof
I am thinking about an 08 or 09 Santa Fe, or i think an Smax just about makes it? but will need to looked more into it. Needs to be 1 owner low mileage (might have a long wait). Still dont know if i will go for an auto or manual. Caravan will come later, as the one I have will still do another couple of years, but thought it more important to sort out the car first. I was looking at a coachman with end washroom, and got a fright at the weight 1560KG full. Can get lighter ones but still looking at 1400kg, and maybe not an ideal match for a mondeo.
Alan not sure how they get there figers from, but i am sure they were not pulling a caravan along the M74 on a windy day!
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20/7/2012 at 11:46am
Location: Huddersfield Outfit: swift conqueror 645+jeep commander
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Auto is the way to go So much easier, no slipping of clutches, far easier to reverse and much more relaxed in heavy traffic and don,t forget cruise...
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20/7/2012 at 12:01pm
Location: Scotland Outfit: Bailey & Mondeo
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Hi Geoff
I like the idea about auto, for one you will not have to replace a clutch at about £700, The auto smax does not give tow weights etc. on the couple of sites i looked at, Is it true that the tow weight with an auto is less than the manual.
The fords are tried and tested, and i like them, and know all there faults. I do like the Santa Fe just not sure if they are as good as the fords or maybe there are better.
It is a lot on money to spend so i am not going to rush into anything,
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20/7/2012 at 1:00pm
Location: Rushden Northants Outfit: Mercedes 614D Conversion
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"Category B+E: Vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes MAM towing trailers over 750kgs MAM
Category B+E allows vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes MAM to be combined with trailers in excess of 750kgs MAM. In order to gain this entitlement new category B licence holders have to pass a further practical test for category B+E. There is no category B+E theory test.
For driver licensing purposes there are no vehicle/trailer weight ratio limits for category B+E."
This backs up the comment by 'Defender' above.
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20/7/2012 at 4:50pm
Location: Rochdale Outfit: Hymer Nova 470 Mondeo titanium 140tdc
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I personally would not give one house room, having been there and tried it and lost a lot of money getting rid of a useless towcar. But that is another discussion. Quote: Originally posted by geoff+emmy on 20/7/2012 Auto is the way to go So much easier, no slipping of clutches, far easier to reverse and much more relaxed in heavy traffic and don,t forget cruise...
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For a licence dated 1997 or later you must add together the plated max weight of the caravan and trailer, if the total is 3500 or less you can tow it. You may even tow a caravan with a MAM greater than the cars unladen mass the restriction was removed in 2013
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20/7/2012 at 6:54pm
Location: roche cornwall Outfit: lynton 5th wheel
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yes the vehicles trainweight is the answer .
in many cases its possible to tow as much as 4times the tow vehicles weight and still be ok. and legal.
there is no 85%law its only a guide . i know some vehicles that weigh 2,8 ton yet have tyrainweights upto 12 ton and can still be legal on a pre 97 b+e licence .
but always check the plate on the vehicle and check again with handbooks .or the manufacturer . towing over the manufacturers train weight could cost you heavy . dont brake the trainweight and drive slowly if you havent towed before .maybe go for lessons .
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20/7/2012 at 7:04pm
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Hi Janus
What was wrong with it?, what year? They seem to get good reviews, I would appreciate if you could expand on your statement, as I had sort of made my mind up that, that was what I was going for.
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20/7/2012 at 7:26pm
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i have a modeo and a defender 90...both 06reg the mondeo is what i use for towing the caravan...its just better..
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20/7/2012 at 8:14pm
Location: Rushden Northants Outfit: Mercedes 614D Conversion
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Quote: Originally posted by iain.morrison3 on 20/7/2012
Hi Janus
What was wrong with it?, what year? They seem to get good reviews, I would appreciate if you could expand on your statement, as I had sort of made my mind up that, that was what I was going for.
I think he was referring to the automatic transmission rather than a car?
Might be wrong...
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20/7/2012 at 10:36pm
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This thread is a most interesting read. I'm not a caravanner myself (yet) but if I were to invest in a tin tent then I'd have to go for a much bigger/newer/heavier car. I'd always assumed modern caravans - like modern cars - would be lighter due to modern manufacture and materials, but this can't be the case with new caravans. Look at what we drove around in say 20 years ago - Cavaliers, Sierras, 405s etc with a kerb weight of say around 1100kgs. These were very popular tow cars back then but would be no good for anything bigger than a folding camper or trailer tent now! Were caravans 20+ years ago really really light weight? I can remember seeing many a Sierra with its arse on the floor dragging a huge 'van behind it. The caravan manufacturers really should learn to make their products lighter, I'd be lucky to get away 4 times a year in a 'van if I had one and I'd find it very hard to justify the extra costs of running a 4x4 (or other "large" vehicle) for the other 48 weeks of the year. Sorry to jump in with this, just felt I'd share an opinion ![17](forum_images/smiley1.gif)
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20/7/2012 at 10:53pm
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Caravans in the 80's didnt have blown air central heating and full cookers with microwaves, Or fridges that hold more than 2 bottles of milk and 2oz of cheese.
Probably a fair few that still had cold water only.
Caravans just got better equipped. As car manufacturers now look to save as much weight as possible to get fuel consumption up and better mpg i think caravans will have to go the same way.
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20/7/2012 at 11:47pm
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Hi,
My caravan is a 96 4berth coachman, total loaded weight 1060kg. It has hot water, good size fridge, gas fire, cassette toilet and wash basin, gas cooker. What else do we need? Nothing. We have used thus van for 4 years, 1 week Easter, 3 weeks summer, and about 6 weekends. Now while it would be nice to have blow heating, full-size double oven, microwave and whatever other gadgets I would happily do without them. I do think that manufactures are going overboard with equipment, which is also pushing up the price. Caravaning is becoming a very expensive type of holiday, fuel costs, storage fees, insurance, service costs, gas, chemicals etc, it all adds up. Then the addition costs associated with having to run a big car or 4x4, just to get a few holidays.
Do caravans need to be made lighter? Yes
Do you need all the bells and whistles? No
So why not make a bare bones model, and let you add what you want, just like a car.
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20/7/2012 at 11:58pm
Location: Rochdale Outfit: Hymer Nova 470 Mondeo titanium 140tdc
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Quote: Originally posted by iain.morrison3 on 20/7/2012
Hi Janus
What was wrong with it?, what year? They seem to get good reviews, I would appreciate if you could expand on your statement, as I had sort of made my mind up that, that was what I was going for.
It was a Volvo 850 with a four speed auto box with lock up on the top two gears and two different modes. The fuel consumption was appalling, it would not pull the skin off a rice pudding and when it got a little hilly it overheated the gearbox despite having an oil cooler fitted as standard. I replaced it with an identical car with a manual gearbox which was a terrific towcar much mote economical and plenty of power available that I kept for 8 years.
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For a licence dated 1997 or later you must add together the plated max weight of the caravan and trailer, if the total is 3500 or less you can tow it. You may even tow a caravan with a MAM greater than the cars unladen mass the restriction was removed in 2013
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21/7/2012 at 12:09am
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Quote: Originally posted by RobM on 20/7/2012
! Were caravans 20+ years ago really really light weight? ]
Caravans twenty years ago were generally smaller, the normal 2 berth was a 4m or there abouts van and most 4 berths were about 5m . It was relatively unusual to see enormous twin axles vans, they did exist but were not popular. The weights started to increase as people started to demand more space, so the lengths increased and later on the extra equipment was added.
I had a 1994 Award Daystar, which was for its time quite a large and heavy 2 berth that had an unladen mass of 980kg and a max weight of 1200kg. I would still have it were it not for the water feature.
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For a licence dated 1997 or later you must add together the plated max weight of the caravan and trailer, if the total is 3500 or less you can tow it. You may even tow a caravan with a MAM greater than the cars unladen mass the restriction was removed in 2013
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