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30/7/2012 at 8:06pm
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Most Ford Mondeos have expensive injector problems on or near 100,000 miles



30/7/2012 at 8:45pm
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Watch the nose weights on the earlier Octavias. Some of them are very low.


31/7/2012 at 5:45pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Skoda Bob on 30/7/2012

Most Ford Mondeos have expensive injector problems on or near 100,000 miles



Just to throw a spanner in the works, there could actually be some truth in this. Mate of mine has an older 03 plate Mondeo that left him stranded in Newcastle a few weeks ago (he lives in Cornwall!) Car was taken to 3 differant garages to try and diagnose a 'limp home mode problem' before the car expired completely. It turned out to be bad injectors and cost him £600 to fix.

However, is this just confined to older examples i wonder?

Are the newer ones better??

The Octavia that Bob mentions uses the exact same PD engine that my 03 Passat has, it is indeed a great engine, such a shame VW went and spoilt it all with the 2.0 litre PD 16 valve version used until mid 2008.



31/7/2012 at 8:29pm
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If you go for a Mondeo, you can easily get enough change to have the injectors done, you might be lucky enough to find one that has had them replaced already. Mine has done 130,000 and the injectors are still good although the DMF is starting to rattle a little bit.

If you deduct £600 for injectors from your budget, you can still get a good Mk3 Mondeo and there is certainly no guarantee the injectors are going to fail. Personally, I would be more concerned about the DMF or any signs of clutch wear as a new clutch /DMF can cost around £1000.

Having said that, you can still get good Mk3 Mondeos for £1500 still leaving half your budget for emergencies. If the worst does happen and you get the injectors and the DMF replaced, at least you know it's good for another 100 to 150,000 miles with no issues.


31/7/2012 at 9:33pm
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Quote: Originally posted by DaveCoaches on 31/7/2012
If you go for a Mondeo, you can easily get enough change to have the injectors done, you might be lucky enough to find one that has had them replaced already. Mine has done 130,000 and the injectors are still good although the DMF is starting to rattle a little bit.

If you deduct £600 for injectors from your budget, you can still get a good Mk3 Mondeo and there is certainly no guarantee the injectors are going to fail. Personally, I would be more concerned about the DMF or any signs of clutch wear as a new clutch /DMF can cost around £1000.

Having said that, you can still get good Mk3 Mondeos for £1500 still leaving half your budget for emergencies. If the worst does happen and you get the injectors and the DMF replaced, at least you know it's good for another 100 to 150,000 miles with no issues.


Sorry to sound a bit thick here... But what do you mean by the 'DMF'??



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31/7/2012 at 9:36pm
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Dual mass flywheel. Lots of cars have them, and if they break: ££££££.


31/7/2012 at 9:58pm
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Quote: Originally posted by audicab26 on 31/7/2012
Dual mass flywheel. Lots of cars have them, and if they break: ££££££.


Oh. I see... Thanks. Well, I don't know what to go for now, really... It's a minefield out there!



31/7/2012 at 10:33pm
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You can't go far wrong with what has been recommended on here in the main, just make sure you have a bit in the kitty for the odd repair. Any 10 year old/100000 mile car will throw up the odd bill. Try to find something with service history and few owners and you should be ok. Find a decent garage and your away, not much you can DIY on modern(ish) motors these days.

I was lucky with my Passat, 1 owner and fsh. But I have still had to spend a few quid on it in the two years I've owned it. Still a great car to me though.


31/7/2012 at 11:54pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Skoda Bob on 30/7/2012

Most Ford Mondeos have expensive injector problems on or near 100,000 miles




Some Mondeos have injector problems many do not and this happens at all sorts of mileage, equally some Skodas Audis, Vauxhalls, VWs, Mercedes, Jaguars, old uncle Tom cobble and all have injector problems at various mileages. In fact buy a car out of warranty with miles on the cook and there is a probability that you will have repairs to pay for some cars are better than others and it does not depend upon make.



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01/8/2012 at 4:39pm
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Quote: Originally posted by janus on 31/7/2012
Quote: Originally posted by Skoda Bob on 30/7/2012

Most Ford Mondeos have expensive injector problems on or near 100,000 miles




Some Mondeos have injector problems many do not and this happens at all sorts of mileage, equally some Skodas Audis, Vauxhalls, VWs, Mercedes, Jaguars, old uncle Tom cobble and all have injector problems at various mileages. In fact buy a car out of warranty with miles on the cook and there is a probability that you will have repairs to pay for some cars are better than others and it does not depend upon make.



I have to agree with this . Its all horses for courses!

Just to give the OP something to think about-- Ive owned my Passat since 2006. Before that it was owned by a leasing company! And driven by a rep of Comp Air UK and in its first 3 years it had covered 120'000 miles17 He even took it to Amsterdam.

When i contacted the guy about getting the spare key, he commented that the only time it had been to a garage was for general servicing and a replacement windscreen due to a stone.

Just those first 2  sentances above will strike fear in lots of people! But since ive owned the car, all ive had go wrong is a radiator fairly early on in my ownership but was a cheap 120 quid fix off ebay! Next was  the battery about 3 years ago along with a 15 quid coolant temp sensor and latterly the alternator that had covered 158'000 miles.

I dont think the above is to bad for a 9 year old car thats now covered 160'000 miles.

Some makes of car you'd be sweeping them up with a dust pan and brush at that milage. My car still has the original DMF and clutch.



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Quote: Originally posted by janus on 31/7/2012
Quote: Originally posted by Skoda Bob on 30/7/2012

Most Ford Mondeos have expensive injector problems on or near 100,000 miles




Some Mondeos have injector problems many do not and this happens at all sorts of mileage, equally some Skodas Audis, Vauxhalls, VWs, Mercedes, Jaguars, old uncle Tom cobble and all have injector problems at various mileages. In fact buy a car out of warranty with miles on the cook and there is a probability that you will have repairs to pay for some cars are better than others and it does not depend upon make.



I have to agree with this . Its all horses for courses!

Just to give the OP something to think about-- Ive owned my Passat since 2006. Before that it was owned by a leasing company! And driven by a rep of Comp Air UK and in its first 3 years it had covered 120'000 miles17 He even took it to Amsterdam.

When i contacted the guy about getting the spare key, he commented that the only time it had been to a garage was for general servicing and a replacement windscreen due to a stone.

Just those first 2  sentances above will strike fear in lots of people! But since ive owned the car, all ive had go wrong is a radiator fairly early on in my ownership but was a cheap 120 quid fix off ebay! Next was  the battery about 3 years ago along with a 15 quid coolant temp sensor and latterly the alternator that had covered 158'000 miles.

I dont think the above is to bad for a 9 year old car thats now covered 160'000 miles.

Some makes of car you'd be sweeping them up with a dust pan and brush at that milage. My car still has the original DMF and clutch.



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We've recently bought a 2003 Honda CR-V and while its MPG isn't great, compared to a diesel or compared to the Mondeos others have suggested, we really like it.

It tows our two berth Elddis well and is very 'car like' to drive. Having said that it has a painfully low nose weight limit!

Paid under £3k for it. One lady owner full Honda main dealer service history. It's done 100,000 miles but certainly doesn't feel like it. OK so its not going to be great off road, but its nice to have the extra two wheels when you're on a slippy site.

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i tow the same weight van with a citroen picasso 1.6 hdi 110bhp diesel more than .enough power for it ,good fuel economy while towing ,and solo they return around 55-60mpg ,plus loads of room and adaptability .citroen also do a 2.0 variant but the one i got is supposedly better .

the 1.6 also has the advantage of £120 per year road tax !!!! and low insurance group


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We are currently looking at Volvo estate cars. We've seen a Volvo V40 Estate (a 1.8L petrol engine). I like the build quality and safety inherent in Volvo cars. Will a 1.8litre pull our 2 berth ABI Dawnstar Deluxe (? 1300kgs - fully laden)???..


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Quote: Originally posted by blackscorpion on 05/8/2012
We are currently looking at Volvo estate cars. We've seen a Volvo V40 Estate (a 1.8L petrol engine). I like the build quality and safety inherent in Volvo cars. Will a 1.8litre pull our 2 berth ABI Dawnstar Deluxe (? 1300kgs - fully laden)???..


I used the what tow car website's outfit matcher and i made a coulpe of assumptions since there are a few versions listed of the V40 1.8 petrol. The ABI Dawnstar is also not listed so I went with an Abbey 'Vogue 470' which had a very close MTPLM (fully laden weight of 1310 KG)

 the results page it came up with was not very encouraging.

http://www.towcar.info/index.php

Maybe there is a differant V40 1.8 petrol that could fair better in the outfit matcher, i dont know. Try the matcher above and see how you get on.

 

Edited to say,

I just tried the outfit matcher again with the other V40's, it seems they really dont have enough kerb weight for a 1300 KG van, its nearly a 100% tow weight ratio!

Maybe try a V50 or V70.

 

 



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