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25/8/2012 at 5:16pm
 Location: Lancashire
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Quote: Originally posted by Grampian91 on 25/8/2012
Personally i think the gross plated weight is the legal weight. As i wanted to rent a trailer and they wouldnt let me collect it with a big rover with a 1500kg towing weight.
Even though the trailer weighed much less unladen.

I had to come home and collect the 4x4 to collect it.

But i have not seen anything on the gov websites to prove either way.

And if your an HGV driver i am surprised your going to take the risk.


What risk ?


25/8/2012 at 6:12pm
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You do need to find out gross train weight of car, it will be in the handbook but provided you don't exceed that you will be legal. If you are stopped in a caravan check you will be weighed on a portable axle weigher, all they worry about is gtw.

If you are an experienced hgv driver you know what a fully laden vehicle feels like to drive so drive car/caravan on the road just the same & you will be ok. I find towing along the motorway with the trucks at 56mph far more relaxing than mixing up with faster moving cars etc.

Assuming you understand about correct loading of car/caravan, noseweight etc you will be ok if you drive it thus.


25/8/2012 at 6:35pm
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Just come back from a trip to Dorset, round trip 600 mile plus with no problems,average speed in between 50-55 mph..Making sure of course I wasn't holding no HGV's up, are causeing them to do any long over takes..We have an axle weigher at work guess whose car and caravan will be having a trip over that..

 



25/8/2012 at 7:04pm
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Changing your tow car to something more suitable with a higher towing capacity would allow you to load your van to its MPTLM weight.


25/8/2012 at 7:35pm
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What risk? The risk of having a trailer in excess of the vehicles limits.

Park it over there sir and arrange recovery, Unless you want us to take it to the pound.

Your court date, fine and 6 - 8 points will be in the post.

But it seems being legal doesnt matter to you as you have towed it anyway.



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29/8/2012 at 6:50pm
 Location: Lancashire
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Quote: Originally posted by Grampian91 on 25/8/2012
What risk? The risk of having a trailer in excess of the vehicles limits.

Park it over there sir and arrange recovery, Unless you want us to take it to the pound.

Your court date, fine and 6 - 8 points will be in the post.

But it seems being legal doesnt matter to you as you have towed it anyway.

There is no legal obligation to stay with the maximum braked weight of the towing vehicle as long as you do not exceed the maximum train weight of the towing vehicle and you have a B+E driving licence, i.e. maximum braked towing weight is 1400kg and trailer weight is 1600kg.  No offence has been committed if you are below the train weight of the towing vehicle..
If only a B licence, the trailer weight is restricted to the unladen weight of the car....


29/8/2012 at 8:44pm
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Quote: Originally posted by stuarts2 on 29/8/2012
Quote: Originally posted by Grampian91 on 25/8/2012What risk? The risk of having a trailer in excess of the vehicles limits.Park it over there sir and arrange recovery, Unless you want us to take it to the pound.

Your court date, fine and 6 - 8 points will be in the post.

But it seems being legal doesnt matter to you as you have towed it anyway.
There is no legal obligation to stay with the maximum braked weight of the towing vehicle as long as you do not exceed the maximum train weight of the towing vehicle and you have a B+E driving licence, i.e. maximum braked towing weight is 1400kg and trailer weight is 1600kg.  No offence has been committed if you are below the train weight of the towing vehicle..
If only a B licence, the trailer weight is restricted to the unladen weight of the car....




And what about the excess strain your putting on your towing vehicle if you exceed the limit .
Sorry but it would be foolish to tow 200kg above the makers maximum limit and were you involved in an accident I bet you would be prosecuted if the the true weights were known even if not above the MTW

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Post last edited on 29/08/2012 21:12:16


29/8/2012 at 9:25pm
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Quote: Originally posted by neil and lena on 29/8/2012
Quote: Originally posted by stuarts2 on 29/8/2012
Quote: Originally posted by Grampian91 on 25/8/2012What risk? The risk of having a trailer in excess of the vehicles limits.Park it over there sir and arrange recovery, Unless you want us to take it to the pound.

Your court date, fine and 6 - 8 points will be in the post.

But it seems being legal doesnt matter to you as you have towed it anyway.
There is no legal obligation to stay with the maximum braked weight of the towing vehicle as long as you do not exceed the maximum train weight of the towing vehicle and you have a B+E driving licence, i.e. maximum braked towing weight is 1400kg and trailer weight is 1600kg.  No offence has been committed if you are below the train weight of the towing vehicle..
If only a B licence, the trailer weight is restricted to the unladen weight of the car....




And what about the excess strain your putting on your towing vehicle if you exceed the limit .
Sorry but it would be foolish to tow 200kg above the makers maximum limit and were you involved in an accident I bet you would be prosecuted if the the true weights were known even if not above the MTW

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Post last edited on 29/08/2012 21:12:16
The 1400kg - 1600kg was a example to show its not illegal and no fines or points would be given, and certainly  would not be put in no pound as Grampian say's... 


29/8/2012 at 10:26pm
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Its too heavy for your car. But you know better.

So there was really no point you asking because you would tow it even if it was illegal and dangerous anyway.

Nothing would have persuaded you otherwise.



30/8/2012 at 7:39am
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To throw a spanner in the works, you are not towing your nose weight. That weight is acting on the rear axle. As that weight has to be included in your GVW & through Newton's Laws weight can only be in one place so you are technically not towing it.
Therefore with a caravan weighing 1550kg with a nose weight of 75kg will only have an axle weight of 1475kg.
Therefore a tow weight of 1500kg implies a caravan axle weight of 1500kg, not an unhitched weight of 1500kg.

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30/8/2012 at 9:46am
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the kerb weight ov a standard 2.0d estate is 1675kg


30/8/2012 at 7:39pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Grampian91 on 29/8/2012


Its too heavy for your car. But you know better.

So there was really no point you asking because you would tow it even if it was illegal and dangerous anyway.

Nothing would have persuaded you otherwise.

May be to heavy for my car when the caravan is fully laden and the car at kerb weight only....BUT not illegal as you said...And the way I've loaded the caravan and took it over both a beam weighbridge and a axle weigher ,by the way both used by the traffic police so they are calibrated... The caravan weighs out at 1440kg and the car 1820kgs..And all axles are well within the limits,and giving a train weight of 3260kgs well in the cars specs...Plus giving a magical 82% tow ratio...But even if the caravan was fully laden 1560kg which I have no intension of doing,with the car at the weight of 1820kgs the ratio would still be a good one at 86%.. .






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