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Personmillermicm
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Quote: Originally posted by Miserly on 11/1/2014
Quote: Originally posted by geoff+emmy on 11/1/2014Where are the Hydrogen powered cars then?

Right here



That must be the future. I don't understand why we are messing about with electric cars.

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Personnavver
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I believe hydrogen will be good eventually. At the moment you need a network of hydrogen filling stations which will take time and money to put in place whereas electricity is readily available everywhere.

Hydrogen also needs to be produced and, at the moment, I believe that is by electrolysis meaning putting electric into water producing hydrogen and oxygen. That electric still has to be produced Admittedly when we become better at producing it in a green way it will be useful but at the moment you are shifting the emissions from your exhaust pipe to the power station, so still polluting.


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You can not use a Toyota Prius as a tow car they don't do tow bars
Because the electric moter hasn't the power .toyota say the Prius wasn't designed to use as a tow car.

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Personamara 520
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Quote: Originally posted by millermicm on 10/1/2014
If electric is to be the answer for future vehicles I think we are still a long way off for anything other than city cars and even then battery replacement only really makes them a viable option for the congestion charge free charge.

Viable electric long distance tow cars are further away than pay to fly space travel for everyday punters.
Try a Tesla, best selling car in Noway in the last few months, problem is it's £60K+ and a sports car


Person664DaveS
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A lot of small diesels or even the new small turbo petrols are as or more economical than hybrids. Plus they will cost a bomb when battery packs expire.

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PersonJack+Jon
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Trouble with Teslas is that they catch fire(see youtube)bit like Boeing 787s. This is the problem with trying to miniturise the stored power in batteries, ie high power, stored in small space=too much heat=boom, if you ain't careful. Known as thermal runaway.

The rest of the development is there, the car, the electric motor with the power of petrol/diesel. The only thing stopping it is battery development. Once they have a battery pack the size of a petrol tank with a 500mile range & a 2minute charge up time, they are home & dry.

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Hydrogen fuel cell or hydrogen power must make more sense. IHonda do a hydrogen powered car which is sold in the USA I believe the only refuelling points for them are in some parts of California at the moment.

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PersonBridgelayer
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Quote: Originally posted by amara 520 on 14/1/2014
Quote: Originally posted by millermicm on 10/1/2014
If electric is to be the answer for future vehicles I think we are still a long way off for anything other than city cars and even then battery replacement only really makes them a viable option for the congestion charge free charge.

Viable electric long distance tow cars are further away than pay to fly space travel for everyday punters.
Try a Tesla, best selling car in Noway in the last few months, problem is it's £60K+ and a sports car




Not only Tesla, have a look at
this BMW supposedly coming out next year. (Image 2 on the slideshow at the top)

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Quote: Originally posted by Bridgelayer on 16/1/2014
Quote: Originally posted by amara 520 on 14/1/2014
Quote: Originally posted by millermicm on 10/1/2014
If electric is to be the answer for future vehicles I think we are still a long way off for anything other than city cars and even then battery replacement only really makes them a viable option for the congestion charge free charge.

Viable electric long distance tow cars are further away than pay to fly space travel for everyday punters.
Try a Tesla, best selling car in Noway in the last few months, problem is it's £60K+ and a sports car




Not only Tesla, have a look at
this BMW supposedly coming out next year. (Image 2 on the slideshow at the top)

The i8 is a hybrid not an electric car, currently the only elecrtic car made by BMW is the i3

The BMW i8 concept, a plug-in hybrid sports car, is on display in BMW's new production hall in Leipzig, Germany. BMW has expanded its factory in Leipzig with a carbon pressing plant to make carbon fiber parts. ( info taken from the website suggested)


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Can you imagine 120 years ago when somebody bought a car
Q what powers it?
A internal combustion engine
Q What?and what's the range where do you get the fuel?
A around 20miles and the chemists
Q what happens when their shut
Q I think I will stick to the horse, after all they will need roads and everything


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PersonSkoda Bob
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http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/85276/londons-new-metrocab-electric-taxi-could-save-cabbies-ps40-a-day

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/8 ... ps40-a-day

get yourself one of these for towing when they become available, just imagine being able to tow to your destination almost free, and plug the van and cab in and think of the luggage room


PersonJack+Jon
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Apparently it will be the law for all new taxis used in central London to be zero emission capable from 2018. So this is legislation driven, not really simple economics.

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PersonSkoda Bob
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Quote: Originally posted by Jack+Jon on 18/1/2014
Apparently it will be the law for all new taxis used in central London to be zero emission capable from 2018. So this is legislation driven, not really simple economics.


That's correct, but Doris has not got the charging infrastructure in place like he promised,
Nissan is introducing one next year, but they cannot get the same range as the metro cab, so if there is no cabs available what are cabby's going to drive


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Battery powered electric cars are only going to be any real use as city cars, not long distance, and certainly not tow-cars. Hybrids may be another matter.

They have been working on battery technology for decades, and so far have made little advances. Fast-charging batteries does shorten their life, so anyone with a battery driven car has to decide between fast charging and low battery life-expectancy, or slow charging overnight. I don't think that will change any time soon.

I am inclined to think the hydrogen is the way to go. Once the network of filling stations has been set up, topping up with hydrogen will be no slower than filling up with petrol or diesel, so range will be unlimited.

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If you want a damn good tow car, and nostalgia due to the 15 year age limit in London, you could get a London cab with the acclaimed Nissan engine, all the cabs that have to come off have had 2 or more annual inspections so are top notch


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Good heavy car which would probably make a good tow car as you say! Probably a bit thirsty though!

I think some of the black cabs in our area are ex London given their age! Some newish ones about as well!



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