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MysScarlet

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I no towing it will be no problem i used to help alot at my uncles farm and it involved towing big trailers around his farm and i also had to reverse them. But i should take the test just to make sure i am covered if i ever get stopped by the police.

I cant change my car at the minute as I have 2 young children and the car i have at the minute is perfect for them as it has built in car seats and i love my wee car lol.

The caravan does not have a load plate on it i got the MTPLM online im not 100% that the numbers are correct. I dont even no what year the caravan is. All i no is its a adria supra with a twin axle. I think i will just maybe sell the caravan as at this minute i cant change my car and if i cant tow it then no point it going to waste

MysScarlet

23/5/2014 at 11:11pm
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I think i got the MTPLM wrong. Someone was selling on on ebay and he had the Unladen Weight = 989KG and the MTPLM = 1300KG.

Also the kurbweight for my car is 1350kg.

Does them numbers change anything?

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As you took the weight details from the plate below the caravan door then you have confirmation of the weights of that caravan and you have to adhere to those figures. You can't just manipulate figures all because a seller on Ebay posted details regarding an identical caravan as they could be totally misleading and inaccurate. What they tell you and what is fact are not the same but some will do anything to attract a buyer especially those that have little knowledge about touring caravans and towing. However, regarding the 989 kgs. MIRO and 1300 kgs. MTPLM are exactly what my caravan is which is just a two berth 21 feet long so a twin axle being longer would somewhat be heavier. It just doesn't add up.

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just stop trying to get round the figures ,the rules are there for a reason ,you would effectively have yourself and two young children in a overweight ,dangerous and illegal vehicle .

is it worth there lives !!!!!!

do your research properly ,sell the big van and buy something you can use /tow legally with the money .

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Quote: Originally posted by MysScarlet on 23/5/2014
I think i got the MTPLM wrong. Someone was selling on on ebay and he had the Unladen Weight = 989KG and the MTPLM = 1300KG.

Also the kurbweight for my car is 1350kg.

Does them numbers change anything?

sorry but Your car is not up to the job and even if the figures obtained of ebay are correct you towing match is close to 100% .
You imagine trying to stop in an emergency with kids on board and an overly heavy caravan shoving you on .

Your Call !!!!

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There is one extra rule on top of all the other towing rules for the towing of a trailer over 750 kgs plated MAM on a B licence

That one extra rule is this ....
The plated GVW of the vehicle added to the MTPLM of the caravan must not total more than 3500 kgs

GVW of the towing vehicle is the top figure of four on a plate usually hidden under the bonnet or in a door frame

The MTPLM is usually on a silver plate on the caravan

GVW, MAM and MTPLM all have the same meaning - the maximum legal weight something can be when fully loaded

Licences go on plated weights and not on actual weights

I hope that was useful

Caravans due to their design also have a non legal recommended percentage ratio between the actual weight of the tow vehicle and the actual weight of the caravan and that recommendation is that the caravan should not weigh more than 85% of the towing vehicle
To give a worse case scenario the kerb/empty/unladen weight of the towing vehicle and the maximum weight the caravan can be are used

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ROG.

24/5/2014 at 8:31am
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You state the MTPLM of the caravan is 1300 so if the GVW of your towing vehicle is more than 2200 then its a no go for towing on a B licence

When towing your car is likely to be at least 1500 actual weight and if you can keep the actual weight of the caravan down to 1200 then that would be a percentage match of 80&
1200 is also the max actual weight towing limit for your vehicle as you stated in the first post

WHAT IS THE GVW OF YOUR VEHICLE?

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ROG.

24/5/2014 at 8:45am
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I have just searched for your vehicle on the web and it seems that the GVW is well under 2200 kgs

If correct that means towing the 1300 MTPLM on a B licence is legal

It also means that if you can keep the actual caravan weight down to 1200 to comply with the 1200 towing limit and load the car with as much as possible then you are good to go

Unless anyone else on here can show differently ....

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MysScarlet

24/5/2014 at 9:03am
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Think i will just go else where i came on here for advice and now u are all having a go at me!

I said the caravan didnt have a plate on it so i do not no the numbers for sure. Also the caravan is an older caravan and is not as heavy as younger caravans.

I would never try and manipulate figures! If i didnt care about being safe when towing this caravan then i would not have come on here for advice.

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Quote: Originally posted by MysScarlet on 24/5/2014
Think i will just go else where i came on here for advice and now u are all having a go at me!

I said the caravan didnt have a plate on it so i do not no the numbers for sure. Also the caravan is an older caravan and is not as heavy as younger caravans.

I would never try and manipulate figures! If i didnt care about being safe when towing this caravan then i would not have come on here for advice.

I hope I have not upset you in any way

most on here will try to help and keep you safe and legal

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tango55

24/5/2014 at 10:28am
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Nobody is having a go at all, everyone is giving constructive advice to be safe and legal on the road. If the replies were what you wanted to hear by saying yes carry on you're perfectly safe, then that would be irresponsible of those to offer advice knowing it would put you and your children's lives at risk.
The principal of a forum is to use it to gain knowledge from the people who have the experience and know the facts but at the end of the day, the decision is yours.

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The point being made was that you need to establish what the empty & fully laden weights for the caravan are & you cannot rely on ebay adverts & similar for accurate information. Looking at the caravan in the ebay ad & googling for pictures I would estimate those weights to be correct but you would need to ascertain this elsewhere.

If your car has max tow of 1200kg then it would be difficult for it to legally tow this caravan, ok empty but loaded with holiday gear probably not.

Posting for information & then complaining about the replies you don't like is not really the way forward, among the opinions is infomation that is useful to you. Posters can only give advice on the basis information that is posted by yourself.

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the boot of my car is very big and id be putting everything i needed then there like bedding and plates bowls etc. Of the top of my head i cant think of anything that will be going into the caravan maybe a wind breaker. Id be funny to put stuff in the caravan as id be afraid of it moving around causing damage inside my caravan.

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Kelper i went to that site and when i select the model of my caravan it only gives me newer models.

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But if you look at the website in detail you can choose an identical make of caravan then alter the weights accordingly to correspond with yours then you can find a match. That's why you need the weights on the plate below the caravan door which you said is not there. I think it's a case of the blind leading the blind here.

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