I'm pointing out that both cars and caravans safety tech has improved over the years and it's a fact that all products deteriorate over time.
I would always purchase within whatever my budget was, this has no bearing on my point, which relates to speed only and pointing out that speed alone isn't a killer.
Pity you feel the need to defend yourself and make accusations to another member.
In France the motorway speed limit in the dry for my caravan is 81 mph (130kph), so it's obviously not a safety issue to do 80. I haven't died yet. I have old but well maintained kit.
I've done over 80 briefly here in the UK so as not to hold people up when I'm overtaking, but I'm quite happy to cruise at 55-60.
Quote: Originally posted by checkley1973 on 16/8/2014
Driving fast doesn't automatically mean dangerously. There are lots of factors, drivers ability, weight ratio between car and van, the loading of the van to create a well balanced load with correct nose weight, condition of both vehicles and their tyres / brakes.
Then their is weather conditions, is it dry or wet. Traffic conditions, wind etc etc.
We do tend to stick around 60 in the UK because of the above. In France I'm happy to go along at 70 in good weather and traffic and it is completely safe. We have a well maintained car and a 1 year old van in good condition and good tyres with a weight to car ratio of 53%.
I'm much safer than the person towing a 10 year old van on it's original tyres with no stabiliser, no atc and running at 90/100% of their 10 year old cars weight which doesn't have abs or corner brake control etc.... who is driving along at 56mph 10 feet behind a HGV because they aren't confident enough to overtake it.
Speed <> dangerous.
Naivety and incompetence often do.
Actually, I keep to around 60 because that's the law. My cars (Merc estate and an SLK) will both do 155mph "safely" but I'll lose my license if I'm caught doing even a ton.
Doing an extremely safe 81mph has just landed me on a speed awareness course, which turned out to be a very useful and informative afternoon.
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For MPG reasons I drive my tow vehicle at trailer towing speeds, even solo. Anything faster and it very quickly becomes gallons/mile!
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Quote: Originally posted by checkley1973 on 16/8/2014Driving fast doesn't automatically mean dangerously. There are lots of factors, drivers ability, weight ratio between car and van, the loading of the van to create a well balanced load with correct nose weight, condition of both vehicles and their tyres / brakes.
Then their is weather conditions, is it dry or wet. Traffic conditions, wind etc etc.
We do tend to stick around 60 in the UK because of the above. In France I'm happy to go along at 70 in good weather and traffic and it is completely safe. We have a well maintained car and a 1 year old van in good condition and good tyres with a weight to car ratio of 53%.
I'm much safer than the person towing a 10 year old van on it's original tyres with no stabiliser, no atc and running at 90/100% of their 10 year old cars weight which doesn't have abs or corner brake control etc.... who is driving along at 56mph 10 feet behind a HGV because they aren't confident enough to overtake it.
Speed <> dangerous.
Naivety and incompetence often do.
Actually, I keep to around 60 because that's the law. My cars (Merc estate and an SLK) will both do 155mph "safely" but I'll lose my license if I'm caught doing even a ton.
Doing an extremely safe 81mph has just landed me on a speed awareness course, which turned out to be a very useful and informative afternoon.
Exactly highlights my point. Just because you got caught for breaking the speed limit doesn't make it dangerous. 81 on an empty dry motorway in an slk isn't in itself dangerous. If it was raining and you were tailgating at the same time then it could be considered so.
Same applies to towing. You can travel safely at speed in the right conditions in light traffic keeping you distance in a well maintained car and caravan.
I enjoy life so stick to speed limits.That way i get to my holiday without a oak box.My outfit is more than capable of 60mph but im a advanced driver,and limits are enforced to protect you,so adhere to them.Better late than never.Let the speeding nob heads pass,that way you wont get involved.
At the end of the day, speed limits are there for a reason! People can arguetill they are blue in the face on this one. It is a legal rerequirement that we tow at the correct speeds, regardless of what speed they do in other countries and the outfit they have. SPEED KILLS!
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Quote: Originally posted by checkley1973 on 21/8/2014
Speed alone does not kill and never has done.
You're right. Speed does not or never has killed anyone.
The impact on the other hand........
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i think this thread is funny,how many cars and 4x4s pass you in the 3rd lane when you are doing 70 mph with tow bars and electrics fitted, yet caravanners don't speed,
passed a caravan accident today, really sad to see and hope the owners are OK but some people are just stupid. Towing a Swift van which looked the size of our Adria 542 6 birth with a VW GOLF !!
No wonder they ended facing the wrong way with the caravan on the central reservation. And before you all start, no they were not speeding ;-)
Quote: Originally posted by diesel steve on 21/8/2014
i think this thread is funny,how many cars and 4x4s pass you in the 3rd lane when you are doing 70 mph with tow bars and electrics fitted, yet caravanners don't speed,
I do a GPS 60 in the uk which is about 63 on my speedo and I tow at 70 in france (if its not raining)I towed all the way down to Bordeaux at 60 and was getting approx. 25mpg and towed all the way back at 70 and get 22mpg I was overtaken plenty of times on the way back while I was doing 70 by other caravans. My 8 years old Audi Allroad 3.0tdi 4x4 also has air suspension so tows perfectly level and I made sure I loaded every thing over the axels now as some times I've used the boot under the rear fixed bunks for short journeys and the van tows so much better when loaded correctly, my car auto corrects when the van gets a bad wiggle on (usually due to the fact I've loaded wrong) and that has scared me before as it basically slams the anchors on so just hope there's nobody tailgating, when this happens, best to avoid it altogether.
I've done 80 in france at one point and when I overtook a lorry and the suction caused the van to wiggle, this also happens at all speeds but I feel much safer towing at 70 then 80 In France
Out of interest do twin axels tow any better then singles?
I have towed single axles most of my life but have a twin axle now,maybe the alko stabilizer works well but twin is far better for stability.Its also a god send if you get a blow out as you can slow down and stop in safety with the remaining tyre.