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PersonLlaniDavis
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Quote: Originally posted by naturlist123 on 01/11/2014
I thought under new laws came in October 1st you could no longer sell a licensed vehicle with part of year road fund licence. had to be full year or nothing ??????????????????
Can anyone clarify ? Vaguely remember reading something some were


Under the new Laws the seller has to remove the tax from the vehicle and send it back. The new owner has to retax the vehicle.

Quote: Originally posted by naturlist123 on 01/11/2014
PS I was under the impression you could only cashin 6months or whole year not 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/9/10/11 months ie if cashin 11 months you would only get 6 months back ????


Not any more. Now you get the refund from the month after you send it back.


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You have only ever been paid for any full months remaining if you sent the disc back and if you taxed a vehicle mid month it got back dated to the start of that month,not the following one. Exactly the same as now.
I suspect those moaning it's a rip off are the buyers who will now lose those few "free" days of tax that the seller had paid for,not them,anyway.
If it bothers you that much just buy and sell at the end and beginning of the month.
The last time I bought a car, about five years ago, I rang and warned my insurer I may be changing my vehicle before going to view it just incase there was going to be a problem, they said there shouldn't be. I then called them after I had bought it, they changed the details as I spoke to them and I was able to tax it online before driving it home. If you don't have a mobile to ring and do it or one with internet for online I'm sure any seller would help by using their home phone or internet if it gets them a sale.


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Quote: Originally posted by Phil Ness on 02/11/2014
You have only ever been paid for any full months remaining if you sent the disc back and if you taxed a vehicle mid month it got back dated to the start of that month,not the following one. Exactly the same as now.

Thank you, Phil. Exactly what I was saying.

As for the previous post, nobody has to send anything back, there is nothing to send back any more. It's done automatically when the DVLA receive the seller's portion of the V5 saying they've sold the vehicle.

Nora


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The Govt have done this in an attempt to crack down on untaxed cars. It's a pity they did away with the disc though....


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The issue is that it would have been simple to make the new system pro rata.

Cars used to be sold with the remainder of the tax to run on them. Now a private sale means the seller pays until the end of the existing month. The buyer pays from the beginning of the existing month. It's not about what is best for the buyer or seller.

The issue is that every time a private sale takes place the taxman gets double tax for a month!


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PersonPhil Ness
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Quote:
The issue is that every time a private sale takes place the taxman gets double tax for a month!


Which is EXACTLY THE SAME as it used to be if you had sent the tax back and sold the car with no disc under the old system.


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Well last time I looked at private car sales, which I admit was some years ago, they were sold with the remaining car tax as an incentive to the buyer.

I'm not talking about dealer sales.


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I have just bought a new car from a dealer, they have paid for 6 months tax for me, when I asked if they could still do this he said yes, dealers can still pay for 6 months tax for a vehicle when they sell it as long as the original hasn't run out.

I think the best part about they changes are that you can pay monthly, which means it is easier to budget for if it is a high tax band vehicle.

I also think that cars should show some sort of insurance instead of tax in the windscreen.


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French cars display insurance details in windscreen which is useful in an accident for other driver to get details but the idea here is that nothing needs to be displayed anymore because cops etc can find all current details of car by inputting registration number.


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One of the problems with not showing a tax disc is that of stolen number plates.
My wife had her plates stolen and fitted to another vehicle. The driver of that vehicle has already driven off from at least two fuel stations without paying but worse, a police number plate check will show that the 'cloned' vehicle is taxed and insured.
At least under the old system the thief would have to go to the trouble of counterfeiting a tax disc.
Daves1


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Quote: Originally posted by DaveS1 on 03/11/2014
One of the problems with not showing a tax disc is that of stolen number plates.
My wife had her plates stolen and fitted to another vehicle. The driver of that vehicle has already driven off from at least two fuel stations without paying but worse, a police number plate check will show that the 'cloned' vehicle is taxed and insured.
At least under the old system the thief would have to go to the trouble of counterfeiting a tax disc.
Daves1


Agree with what you say on the problem but I don't think the police have got out of their cars to check tax discs since the days of Dixon of dock green & bobbies on the beat.

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Yes the system is nearly the same apart from private sales as Sue.too mentions.

You cannot leave the tax with the car when you sell now and it forces a refund minus a month and buyer (as always) pays from start of the month in which they buy

Dealer sales won't be any different and yes they can tax car for 6mths or a year as you wish if you send them the insurance cert

Monthly DD will make a difference for lots of people and a long overdue option IMO


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Quote:

Monthly DD will make a difference for lots of people and a long overdue option IMO


I disagree. Far more chance of someone stopping paying the DD for any reason, and paying 6monthly/yearly discourages buying a gas guzzler.



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You have been able to pay by credit card for years so not sure people will be rushing out to buy huge engined cars - think the price of fuel far outweighs any VED costs!

Many pay all bills they can by monthly DD or SO so it just adds another into the list

Presumably if you stop the DD it will flag up as an untaxed vehicle


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I'm glad you understood what I was saying sunshine


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In Germany they did away with road tax and increased the price of fuel. so in a effect the bigger the guzzler the more road tax you paid. but the increase in fuel less no tax still works out cheaper than uk and they have more economical cars models than uk which are now just becoming the norm   over here and I dont mean Noddy cars also nearly everything you buy in Germany comes with a three year warranty by law. Some goods you buy here have started to come with 2 years warranty if you ring up and register it the same day as you buy it.



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