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Billy....

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The object of the exercise is to reduce pollution & improve overall fuel efficiency. The days of the diesel engine for automotive use are numbered apparently & for a hybrid car a diesel is inefficient as engine torque is required at top end not bottom for efficient battery charging.

I somehow doubt caravan towing ability figures much within the design criteria of a hybrid vehicle & I am sure diesel cars will be about for a few yrs yet

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Quote: Originally posted by Billy.... on 22/1/2015
The object of the exercise is to reduce pollution

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for a hybrid car a diesel is inefficient as engine torque is required at top end not bottom for efficient battery charging.

Confused on that. The diesel has tons of low down torque that even at low revs will eclipse that of a petrol car.

My diesel will have more torque at 1500rpm than the equivalent petrol car at 4000rpm.

Bigger generators use diesel engines for that very reason.

In the real world the diesel will make more sense if your green or have to pay the running costs yourself.

As someone mentioned they are getting it as a company vehicle so less tax to pay. Thats the best reason so far.

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Quote: Originally posted by GCMS2012 on 19/1/2015

That's good to know as we're hopefully going to use it to go down to Bristol for a break the end of March.

Means we can plan the journey a bit better...

The Mitsubishi is a hybrid, so it uses petrol and electricity. If you run out of charge in the battery, the engine is still there, so what do you need to plan? You just need a petrol station, like any car?

I have a Lexus hybrid and I can assure anyone, electric motors have plenty of oomph. I can pull my 1600kg van from standstill and waft silently around a site. Sadly, only for about 2 miles before the battery is flat but it only takes 10 minutes of engine to charge them back up. The PHEV has much better batteries, i believe.

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Not being the type that knows anything about cars, I'd fancy one but the only do Automatic transmission, and I wouldn't have a clue how to drive one. I know it is simple but I'd be looking for my foot to be doing something. Are they likely to make a manual version?

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Hi ballyfc, I have an Outlander Phev and will never look back. My husband and I did plenty of research before purchased. I can only speak from our own experience. Silent drive, free battery charge but make sure you register before hand to receive all the neccesary cards to allow you to use the charging point, free charger installation at your house, saving mode work automatically switching from electric to engine when it needs to, for example upwards driving and automatic charge as you break coming downhill, travel 34 miles daily back and forth in the outskirt of Bristol only cost us less than £40 a month which includes some long journeys sometimes, a detachable towing bar reduced insurance rate, haven't towed anything yet but a trailer full of boats is the reason why we fixed the detachable tow. I hope these infos help a little if not much. We definitely would recommend this vehicle to anyone who is thinking about it.

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You been reading the green news? The pollution maybe less when you only see the the figures done on mostly electric power and not real world figures where someone may need to do many thousands of miles on petrol alone.
But when you take into account the pollution created making the batteries etc then you will need the cars to last several milliion miles before swapping for another one.

This is simply not true. The first generation of hybrids used NiMH batteries and the opponents talked about raw materials being mined in Canada, then shipped to Japan and then cars being exported to America and Europe. Nowadays electric cars have lithium batteries. Lithium is mostly mined in chilean deserts and and dried by the scorching Sun before shipping. Factories (i.e. Nissan's are in every country where Leaf is manufactured). Once the car is ready to be scrapped the batteries which will still have 50-70% capacity which will be used by energy companies or private individuals for storing renewable energy. Once no longer usable they can be recycled.
Besides even if PHEVS have short range most journeys are still done in EV mode and ICE cars are no match for them in terms of green credentials. Solar energy is getting so cheap that there are more and more countries where it can compete with fossil fuels without any subsidies (which fossil fuels were also getting for many decades). EVs are going to speed up this revolution as they encourage even more research into battery storage. In USA it is quite common for EV owners to install solar panels and in Britain Ecotricity (wind power) is trying to attract EV owners with discounts.
Wind and sun power is in abundant supply and the cost of this energy can be calculated in advance and this energy is produced locally. OPEC can't do anything about it. EVs can also help balance the grid as they can charge when the demand is low (night) but wind is strong.
What's not to like?
I walk or cycle whenever I can but I am also looking forward to the day I can drive an EV.

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Do some reading as to how various types of hybrids work Grampian. You will then discover the torque generated by engine is not directly relative to the drive to the wheels as all or part of the torque is supplied by the electric motors. You need to forget the 'diesel car has more pulling power petrol' & understand how various types of hybrid systems work. If they were more economical with diesel engines then they would use diesel engines. Read this.

The purpose of Hybrid technolgy is to reduce pollution from the exhaust pipe along with greater fuel efficiency. If you want to mostly tow a caravan long distances then its not the car you want but if a good part of one's driving is urban commuting then it might be a good option for some.

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I know how hybrids work and there are MANY different setups.

They dont use a diesel because the PHEV weighs 200kg MORE than the diesel. Add the weight of a diesel engine as well and those motors and batteries will need beefing up which will add even more weight.

At least you got one bit right..

Quote: The purpose of Hybrid technolgy is to reduce pollution from the exhaust pipe

At the expense of pollution elsewhere.
Then you spoiled it and said

Quote: along with greater fuel effieincy

Low 30's mpg from a 1.6 engine? Is that efficient?

I didnt say pulling power. I said lots of low down torque whether thats for driving the wheels directly or driving a generator. The lower torque means less revs are required for the same power requirement.

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Please don't turn this thread into a slanging match / argument so it gets LOCKED....

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Just found this thread - thinking about buying a used PHEV. Can anyone who's had one a while confirm what the reliability has been like?

Apart from holidays all our trips are within EV range, so I'd hope to drive on EV almost all the time with one, charging every night.

If it wasn't for the need to fill a large boot and tow a trailer for camping holidays I'd have bought a full EV, after 10 trouble free years with a Prius as our second car I know hybrids are bulletproof when built by Toyota, but I know nothing about Mitsubishi and the PHEV forum doesn't inspire huge confidence.....

I have no worries about mpg or towing, just reliability.

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Quote: Originally posted by ballycfc on 22/1/2015
Not being the type that knows anything about cars, I'd fancy one but the only do Automatic transmission, and I wouldn't have a clue how to drive one. I know it is simple but I'd be looking for my foot to be doing something. Are they likely to make a manual version?

The PHEV doesn't need any gears and doesn't have any. You simply put it into drive and away you go.

There's nothing much to learn about driving any automatic. You have a brake and an accelerator pedal, both of which you use with your right foot. The gear lever has 4 positions, park, drive, neutral and reverse. How difficult is that?

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Quote: Originally posted by Jim1977 on 12/9/2016
Just found this thread - thinking about buying a used PHEV. Can anyone who's had one a while confirm what the reliability has been like?

All the Mitsubishis I've had have been very reliable, and their move to give 5 years warranty on all new vehicles now would seem to support this.

When there was only a 3 year warranty, you could extend this for further year through Mitsuubishi for just £300 a year. This included full European and at home breakdown cover, and even covered the £900 sat nav in the vehicle. Again this would suggest a very reliable vehicle.

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6 Months, not a single problem, over 5300 miles and trips to North Devon and Newcastle towing a trailer. Like you my daily commute is pretty much in ev range and averages just over 30 mpg in petrol mode alone, so not bad for a big car.

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Thanks Ballycfc, that's good to hear. What kind of mpg are you getting day to day plugged in? I was hoping for 60-80mpg and then 30mpg on (rare) long runs.

I read the facelifted 2016MY has a 0-25 which is 2 sec quicker, which must make it feel perky compared to the original. Not test driven either at this stage....

Other option is a RAV4 hybrid. I know there is no pure EV running but I know the brand. The workshop facilities etc at Leicester Toyota are impressive, whereas the Mitsubishi dealership looks like a second hand car lot, not sure whether to judge based on this as back up is all part of the package your buying into.

Freeatlast - the 5 year warranty and cheap warranty extension does inspire confidence thougn

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If this comes through this is off my app that tracks fuel and mileage. August was when i drove to Devon and back. https://www.dropbox.com/s/xv9mfazohkh0soh/File%2013-09-2016%2C%2019%2010%2048.png?dl=0

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Wow - over 100 mpg!

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