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Persondarthillcat
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no it is tested using weights which are accredited by trading standards to be accurate and the bridge must be within a very small percentage of the test weights,my bridge is an above ground 1 plate bridge resting on 4 pressure sensors,all four corners are tested. even though a ticket issued is + or - 20kg of true weight, on test the bridges weighing head is set to read in single kilo figures.What this means is on test at it's maximum of 50000kilos a reading of 49996 or better is expected for a pass.

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PersonMotobiman
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I understand that, I used to manage a transit shed that handled cargo going on to aircraft so our scales had to be accurate.

Only up to 10 tonnes but that was what was required by the CAA.

But how do you explain the DVSA output in the link and the public weighbridge tolerances given at my local dynamic axle weigher that is quoted as 150kgs?

Clearly such scales cannot be used to take action against drivers, or can they?

Legal on one, illegal on another? I don't think so Milud.

Post last edited on 29/07/2015 19:34:21


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Ok lets shed some light on this I am a Public weighbridge accredited operator, the weighbridge we have is accurate + or - 20kg so if your van weighs 1211 kg the scales will read 1220kg if the van weighs 1210kg the scales will read 1200kg, my bridge is calibrated each year and is tested across the full range from 20kg up to 50 tonne,it only gets a certificate if the weights are accurate.

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I can verify this as I work in a bonded distillery, we have a weighbridge to weigh all the alcohol tankers in and out . This has to be accurate as HMRC want the duty paid on everything we receive or dispatch . So our weighbridge is calibrated every 6 months and has a tolerance of + or - 20KG up to 50 tons .
Any weighbridge used by any government dept has to be accurate .


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Yes that's for HMRC purposes and revenue collection, I understand that.

So how do you explain the accuracy limits quoted by the DVSA and how do they relate to public weigh bridges that can be used by caravannners?


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Hi,Motobiman,
I've just re read the whole post and the links,and have to admit I was supprised at how much different the tolerances are on a public bridge compared to a commercial one like I use!
I'm glad I weighed my trailer at work rather than somewhere else,
It will be interesting to find out how the DVSA get their limits.


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Hence my confusion.

You could be 150kgs underweight on one DVSA registered weighbridge and 159kgs overweight at another.

How could they possibly prosecute?


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a legal weighbridge is tested by the authority the same way up & down the country if you get pulled up & put over a weighbridge ask to see the calibration certificate of the bridge if the date is new it will be right if more than 6months old you can object if your weight is over

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30/7/2015 at 1:46pm
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Quote: Originally posted by 5357frank on 30/7/2015
a legal weighbridge is tested by the authority the same way up & down the country if you get pulled up & put over a weighbridge ask to see the calibration certificate of the bridge if the date is new it will be right if more than 6months old you can object if your weight is over


Yes I get that but if the tolerance limit of the particular certified weighing equipment is 150kgs, it can still be certified at that limit then:

1. How do you now what your actual weight is and
2. Surely they could only prosecute if your weight was more than 151kgs over the prescribed weight?


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the only way I can see is pick a weighbridge with the smallest tolerance limits this is the third weighbridge I have been in charge of none of them have had a limit greater than + or- 20kg admittedly they have all been used to calculate tax revenue. or by VOSA for possible prosecution purposes.

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Allow an margin or error of about 20kg. It must also be remembered that when towing you are transferring the nose weight i.e. 70kg onto the car therefore technically the weight on the caravan axle is 70kg less so well within your MTPLM.
If stopped by the DVSA, they will not ask you to unhitch and will not weigh the caravan seperately. However they may check the load rating of the tyres and if you are within that margin and the also the gross maximum train of the towing vehicle then there is no issue.


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30/7/2015 at 9:51pm
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Quote: Originally posted by iank01 on 30/7/2015
Allow an margin or error of about 20kg. It must also be remembered that when towing you are transferring the nose weight i.e. 70kg onto the car therefore technically the weight on the caravan axle is 70kg less so well within your MTPLM.
If stopped by the DVSA, they will not ask you to unhitch and will not weigh the caravan seperately. However they may check the load rating of the tyres and if you are within that margin and the also the gross maximum train of the towing vehicle then there is no issue.


Oh dear.

The weights on each axle are as measured by the scale.

The fact that some of the caravan weight is borne by the car is immaterial to the load on the caravan axle.


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Bob for the record Bessie is a bloke, and is named after our first caravan which was a bessacarr, & I have no access to my spreadsheet as i'm currently on holiday in Turkey

But if you like I'll send you a copy when I get home

Bessie


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Quote: Originally posted by Motobiman on 30/7/2015
Quote: Originally posted by iank01 on 30/7/2015Allow an margin or error of about 20kg. It must also be remembered that when towing you are transferring the nose weight i.e. 70kg onto the car therefore technically the weight on the caravan axle is 70kg less so well within your MTPLM.
If stopped by the DVSA, they will not ask you to unhitch and will not weigh the caravan seperately. However they may check the load rating of the tyres and if you are within that margin and the also the gross maximum train of the towing vehicle then there is no issue.




Oh dear.

The weights on each axle are as measured by the scale.

The fact that some of the caravan weight is borne by the car is immaterial to the load on the caravan axle.


ROTHFL!


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Are you ROTFL?

Is that because the idea of subtracting the nose weight form the axle weight ti arrive at the total weight of the caravan is so silly?

Actually you add it.


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Quote: Originally posted by Motobiman on 31/7/2015
Are you ROTFL?

Is that because the idea of subtracting the nose weight form the axle weight ti arrive at the total weight of the caravan is so silly?

Actually you add it.


ROTHFL again and even more. Please stop as my sides are aching.


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Quote: Originally posted by iank01 on 31/7/2015
Quote: Originally posted by Motobiman on 31/7/2015Are you ROTFL?

Is that because the idea of subtracting the nose weight form the axle weight ti arrive at the total weight of the caravan is so silly?

Actually you add it.


ROTHFL again and even more. Please stop as my sides are aching.


You could try explaining instead of being a SA ...........



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